Ah well you never know your luck do you, with attitudes like that Aplle will be beating a path to the public arina to get accessability for Itunes version 20 <smile>.
On 08/03/2007, at 6:17 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: OK. Good. That's great news in that case. Looking forward to some actual results then. It has only been a few years and 7 major versions of iTunes... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple > I'm talking to people who are working with Apple on Itunes yes. > > On 08/03/2007, at 4:32 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > > Hi Dane, > > Many us have written to many different people and general e-mail > addresses > at Apple Computer over the years and have gotten no responses. Are > you > saying that you're talking with people in Apple who are saying it is > in the > works, or are you talking with people outside Apple who are just > hoping and > praying it'll eventually be done? > Just want to be clear. > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple > > >> Ok, well I take my hat off to you for writing as allot of people just >> sit back and let others do the hard work but I can assure you from >> people I've spoken to that Itunes for Windows and accessability >> issues are indeed being worked on. >> >> On 08/03/2007, at 3:49 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: >> >> But see, that's the point, I have written to Apple several times >> requesting that they atempt to make their Windows version of iTunes >> more friendly to screenreader users, and to date I haven't seen much >> action. So, I have gotten to them and requested that some work be >> done. True, most people won't, but I did, and all I got back was a >> big fat nothing in response. >> >> At 10:31 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >>> I think that comment to be extremely unfair, Apple put out a Windows >>> version of Itunes for the simple reason that not everyone uses or >>> wants to use a Mac and people have the right to use or not to use >>> what they want and Apple like the rest of us recognises that 90% of >>> computer users out there use Windows so it makes good marketing >>> sense >>> to have Itunes working on a Windows platform. >>> Now something I'm extremely curious about, why is it that people >>> using PC's and Windows like to spend there time whining whilst >>> people >>> using Apple Macs seem to be concentrate on writing constructive >>> letters to people and trying to get accessability issues sorted out >>> <smile>. >>> >>> On 08/03/2007, at 2:55 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: >>> >>> Here here Jeff, couldn't agree with you more man. I think Apple put >>> out their Windows version of iTunes mainly so that they could say >>> they have a Windows version out, and they could give a crap less >>> about accessibility. >>> Yell and scream about how great it is Mac users, you finally got >>> what >>> you wanted. But I'm going to continue to hold Apple in contempt >>> until they produce a screenreader friendly version of iTunes. >>> When I >>> say "screenreader friendly", I mean a version that does not require >>> the use of scripts or set files to work. Fat chance of that >>> happening...I'll believe it when it happens. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 09:24 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >>>> The proof is in the pudding. Apple still hasn't gotten Windows >>>> Vista >>>> support done let alone accessibility, so I am sure it is merely a >>>> priority >>>> for the Mac platform more then it is for the Windows platform. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> audio.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:55 AM >>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>> Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>>> >>>> Better accessability for Itunes is being worked on. I'm not making >>>> excuses >>>> for Apple but everything takes time and I'm sure that Windows users >>>> will end >>>> up with a totally accessible version of Itunes before too long, >>>> just be >>>> patient, can't say too much right now. >>>> Why do Apple users make a thing about how accessible Itunes is? >>>> Because quite simply its worth making a thing about, its taken a >>>> while but >>>> Itunes has turned overnight from something which wasn't all that >>>> accessible >>>> at all (more near to totally inaccessible) to something which is >>>> getting to >>>> the point of being near totally accessible so that in itself is >>>> worth making >>>> a thing about plus the fact that all the hard work and all the >>>> correspondence between Apple and Voiceover users finally paid off, >>>> we now >>>> have a commitment on behalf of Apple that further development will >>>> continue >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> On 08/03/2007, at 12:28 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote: >>>> >>>> It appears that those who are using Macs are giving praise to Apple >>>> where I >>>> as a Windows user still as most find that Itunes is still lacking. >>>> >>>> Seems like any hint of an Apple user makes them scream that the >>>> little >>>> tidbit that Apple does is golden, well, its not and they are not, >>>> (meaning >>>> Apple) are Golden Delicious. >>>> >>>> More like rotten Macintosh! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen A. Guerra >>>> Assistive Technology Specialist >>>> Independent Living Aids >>>> >>>> "Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>>> >>>> 200 Robbins Lane >>>> Jericho, NY 11753 >>>> Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>>> Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>>> >>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Skype: ILASteve >>>> Web Site: >>>> http://www.independentliving.com >>>> http://www.soundbytes.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> audio.org] >>>> On Behalf Of David Tanner >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:15 AM >>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>> Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>>> >>>> Why doesn't that surprise me??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chris Skarstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:14 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Hats Off to Apple >>>> >>>> >>>> : Yes, I have tried iTunes 7.1 under windows, I wanted to try to >>>> have >>>> : an open mind and try it, and guess what? It is still just as >>>> : inaccessible as it was previously. So apple is still the lose, at >>>> : least under the windows platform. >>>> : and because Apple has made *absolutely* no efforts whatsoever in >>>> : making the windows version of iTunes more accessible, I can't >>>> support >>>> them. >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> : At 01:54 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: >>>> : >Has anyone tried it with windows >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : >Stephen A. Guerra >>>> : >Assistive Technology Specialist >>>> : >Independent Living Aids >>>> : > >>>> : >"Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>>> : > >>>> : >200 Robbins Lane >>>> : >Jericho, NY 11753 >>>> : >Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>>> : > Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>>> : > >>>> : >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >Skype: ILASteve >>>> : >Web Site: >>>> : >http://www.independentliving.com >>>> : >http://www.soundbytes.com >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : >-----Original Message----- >>>> : >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> : >On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>> : >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:38 PM >>>> : >To: PC audio discussion list. >>>> : >Subject: Fwd: Hats Off to Apple >>>> : > >>>> : >Ok, here's the announcement about the new version of Itunes for >>>> Mac. >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : >Begin forwarded message: >>>> : > >>>> : > > Apple has truly done what some might consider impossible; on >>>> March 5, >>>> : > > 2007, Apple unveiled a long-awaited update to iTunes with >>>> support for >>>> : > > accessible clients such as VoiceOver. >>>> : > > >>>> : > > This comes nearly 22 months after the release of Mac OS X >>>> 10.4 which >>>> : > > introduced the VoiceOver screen reader. Since VoiceOver's >>>> : > > introduction, the VO user community has been very vocal about >>>> the >>>> : > > desire for an accessible iTunes. Apple has listened and >>>> delivered ... >>>> : > > at long last! >>>> : > > >>>> : > > While iTunes' accessibility is a far cry from perfect, it >>>> does >>>> : > > represent a significant step forward from what was possible >>>> before. >>>> : > > Users can browse their iTunes library, search and preview >>>> songs from >>>> : > > the iTunes Music Store, adjust song ratings, and much, much >>>> more. If >>>> : > > iTunes 7.1 is any indication, then we can expect >>>> improvements to >>>> : > > iTunes accessibility in future releases of the product. >>>> : > > >>>> : > > Everyone who appreciates the work Apple has done to bring >>>> forth the >>>> : > > accessible version of iTunes should E-mail >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and >>>> : > > thank them for their hard work. 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