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Q: are all the platforms where this problem has been observed multi-core (like 
the RPi4 or mt7621) or has this ever been experienced on a single core system?

Was the Qemu test Petr S. has done been running a multi-core or single core 
emulation?

Petr



> On 2 Jan 2020, at 18:36, Stijn Segers <f...@volatilesystems.org> wrote:
> 
> Hannu Nyman <hannu.ny...@iki.fi> schreef op 2 januari 2020 16:48:08 CET:
>> Petr Štetiar kirjoitti 1.1.2020 klo 22.46:
>>> Petr Novák <pe...@me.com> [2020-01-01 21:11:30]:
>>> 
>>>> But how come the workaround was to use an older libubox and ubus -
>> was there
>>>> any new check which was not there before?
>>> I don't have definitive answer, as I would need RPi-4 (or any other
>> real
>>> hardware with Cortex-A72 core) to find the actual bit in the libubox
>> which
>>> caused this change in the behavior, but here is a part of the commit
>>> description[1] which might help answering that:
>>> 
>>>  It seems like the recent fixes in the libubox library, particulary
>> in
>>>  the jshn sub-component (which empowers json_dump used in the shell
>>>  script executed by the child process) made the execution somehow
>> faster,
>>>  thus exposing this racy behaviour in the
>> validate_firmware_image_call at
>>>  least on RPi-4 (Cortex-A72) target.
>>> 
>>> As I was unable to trigger this issue even in the QEMU/Cortex-A72 I
>> assume,
>>> that it was simply some kind of race, needed specific timing,
>> provided
>>> preciously only by that RPi-4 hardware.
>> 
>> 
>> I think that there may have been an older race condition behaviour that
>> has 
>> now just surfaced better with RPi4 after the recent changes. It has
>> earlier 
>> manifested itself sometimes with some routers, but more rarely.
>> 
>> I have seen an occasional failure of sysupgrade in one of my routers
>> since 
>> October (ar71xx or ath79  / WNDR3700v2).
> 
> I've seen the same multiple times on more than one mt7621 device and I opened 
>  FS#2696 on this.
> 
> Granted, not the most verbose bug report.
> 
> Stijn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I wrote about that to the
>> mailing 
>> list in November, although then I thought that it might be just a
>> "force" 
>> option failure:
>> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2019-November/019996.html
>> 
>> Others have seen that also, based on forum discussion:
>> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/build-for-wndr3700v1-v2-wndr3800/64/295
>> 
>> Petr Novak describes similar thing as my error as: "it does just reboot
>> but 
>> does not flash anything."
>> 
>> I have tried to debug that in my WNDR3800 that has serial console
>> connection, 
>> but have not managed to produce the error in that 3800. With 3800 the 
>> sysupgrade has succeeded always. However, in my 3700v2 (that has
>> identical 
>> hardware except the RAM size) on the other side of the building, I
>> still 
>> occasionally see the behaviour of LuCI based sysupgrade starting ok,
>> but the 
>> router booting back to the same firmware after an invisible error.
>> After that 
>> reboot the next sysupgrade attempt via LuCI usually works quite ok.
>> (sounds 
>> like a sysupgrade from a recently booted system usually works, but 
>> sysupgrading a system after some runtime does sometimes not work.)
>> 
>> I first thought that it was related to using force in the ar71xx/ath79
>> jump, 
>> but it has been present in normal sysupgrades.
>> 
>> Possibly a manifestation of the same race condition in 
>> sysupgrade/procd/libubox, so hopefully your patches will fix also that.
>> 
>> 
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