On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 2:01 AM Daniel Golle <dan...@makrotopia.org> wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 08:32:41PM +0100, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > > > > On 11/12/19 18:54, Daniel Golle wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 05:37:26PM +0100, WRT Burner wrote: > > > > On 11/12/2019 15:22, Daniel Golle wrote: > > > > > And it's even needless to say that > > > > > replying to a spam email in which ever way will always make it worse. > > > > > > > > +1. There is no constructive value in replying to spam. Let's keep > > > > openwrt-devel > > > > nice and clean. > > > > > > > > On 11/12/2019 15:22, Daniel Golle wrote: > > > > > You statement "suck it" (guess what) is also an obvious > > > > > and disgusting example of a masculist culture which hurts our > > > > > community > > > > > as a whole and I strongly believe we should not tolerate that. > > > > > > > > -1. This is a software development mailing list, not tumblr.com. > > > > > > '-1'? So I get right, you are saying it's ok to be insulting other > > > people because this mailing list is about software development? > > > If that's really what you wanted to say, I'm glad that's only a single > > > individual opinion coming from an email address which has never > > > actually been used on this mailing list. > > > And btw, this is your first 'contribution', and it's not even about > > > software development... > > > > > > > He is just disappointed at your pointing out the "masculinist culture" in a > > place where he expected more maturity. > > Maybe I don't understand this level of maturity where it can be > alright to use language which has the only purpose to deliberately > hurt other people. Maybe I even hope I will never get that 'mature'. > > I pointed out the masculinist culture a statement like his > originates from just because that's what it is. Correct me if I'm > getting something wrong, but "suck it" basically says, "I'm the male > in the room here, so your rights are limited to please me sexually". > To me is not a border-line grey-zone of overdoing political > correctness and forcing everybody to use lots of virtue signalling > and a very specificly coded language changing every two weeks accoring > to fashion standards. It's not that he failed to use gender-correct > language or wrongly assumed someones identity or any of those things > which happen a lot without any bad intention involved. > But what Tom wrote was **meant** as an insult. > > > > > Yours is mostly SJW-speak and I'm also not fond of it, I'll explain why. > > It is a double-edged blade. > > In this case your definition is technically correct, we all know what "suck > > it" implies. > > But this highly polarizing approach to life and people can (and does, > > especially in its dens like tumblr.com as mentioned) slippery slope into > > full blown hate and reverse oppression, which is equally bad. > > I guess I partially agree with you one that. I have never visited > tumblr nor know much about what's happening there. To me, "social > justice" sounds like something desireable, however, I can also see that > the fight for that is also being misused to call-out on people who > didn't intend to do any harm to anyone in some cases. > > However, I don't think we need this debate here in this case, as very > clearly "suck it" is just very obviously not nice, ie. violates the > rule #12 "be nice to each other". > > > > > I'm not impressed by your reaction here, first thing you do is a blatant > > strawman logical fallacy and then proceed to attack him on his personal > > values as a person without even asking to clarify his position first. > > He just posted a single short sentence, for heaven's sake. > > > > This is EXACTLY an example of slippery slope into blind hate rage as I said > > above, and exactly why this kind of polarizing categorizations and > > statements should be avoided at all costs in a serious and sane environment. > > > > We should really not jump at each other's throats on a moment's notice like > > that, especially not in a software development mailing list. > > I did asked for claritication, because it wasn't clear to me (see my > reply, there are some "if"s). I didn't make any assumptions on his > values, I was surprised and hoping that this would turn out to be just > a case of misunderstanding each other. Simply because it's hard for me > to imagine a setting where it would be ok to write "suck it" just > because this is about software development (and I still fail to follow > that logic, maybe you can explain that to me off-list). > > I also agree that I don't want people to the scared to be super correct > and this is not the place to discuss subtle language details, for the > exact same reason that we will loose potential contributors. > > Needless to say that WRT_Burner showed up out of nowhere (let me guess > what 'burner' means in that choice of a name) It's a spam message. The response by Tom may have been heavy but it's nothing to cause commotion over.
That is to say, it was not serious. There is no need for a serious response to it. > > > Cheers > > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel _______________________________________________ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
