Ahh, OK, I think I know what you're talking about.

You don't really need that network you're referencing since you'll be providing the gateway services (HA as well if desired) on a device(s) completely outside of OpenStack. You can mark a new network as 'External' and/or 'Shared' via check boxes if you need on the network creation/modification window found within 'Admin -> Networks -> <Network Name> -> Edit Network. The new network will provide the gateway IP you provide when adding a subnet and that gateway will be on the external device(s) you setup outisde of OpenStack, not on the controllers.

Bottom line, I know what network you're talking about that chooses the random VLAN port that's only relevant for this purpose if you're going to use software networking via the controllers or local compute nodes in DVR mode for your tenants.

On 04/13/2017 04:37 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
Hm...I only can create private networks, os assigns random vlan from the
range I specified in fuel.

And I can't create any external network, besides only one I have (public
network)

And I can
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM sil...@gmail.com
<mailto:sil...@gmail.com> <sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

    Yes, through Horizon

    On 04/13/2017 03:09 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
    > Through horizon?
    >
    > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM sil...@gmail.com
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    > <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>
    <sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com> <mailto:sil...@gmail.com
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >     Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at.  I can
    create both
    >     public and private networks within OS9.2 using just VLANs.  I
    can also
    >     create networks on VLANs that are outside of the tenant VLAN
    range I
    >     specified in Fuel prior to deployment under the Neutron L2
    section.
    >
    >     On 04/13/2017 12:43 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
    >     > It has VLAN segmentation, but.
    >     >
    >     > Mirantis OS92 using vlans for tenants private network, then it
    >     connects
    >     > to flat public network through neutron. If all controllers are
    >     down, all
    >     > vms are offline.
    >     >
    >     > I've seen in openstack 11 you can choose type of network
    from horizon
    >     > like (flat, vlan etc). So you can specify any vlan to attach
    to VMs
    >     >
    >     > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, sil...@gmail.com
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    >     <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>
    >     > <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>>
    >     <sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    >     <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>>>
    >     > wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     I'm running Mirantis OS 9.2 and using VLANs so you should be
    >     able to
    >     >     as well without using OS11.  It should provide you the
    option
    >     to use
    >     >     VLAN segmentation for networking while running the cloud
    >     environment
    >     >     creation wizard.  Once you create the cloud environment,
    you can't
    >     >     change this option, you must re-create the cloud to do so(as
    >     far as
    >     >     I'm aware of).
    >     >
    >     >     On 04/13/2017 12:19 PM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
    >     >
    >     >         Yes, you must be right.
    >     >         I'm using the old Mirantis OS 9.2, there's no suck
    options
    >     like
    >     >         Vlan. Only flat network.
    >     >         I'll take a look on OS11
    >     >
    >     >         Thanks
    >     >
    >     >         On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:24 AM, sil...@gmail.com
    <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>
    >     <mailto:sil...@gmail.com <mailto:sil...@gmail.com>>
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    >     >         wrote:
    >     >
    >     >             This is only if you're using the controllers to
    serve as a
    >     >         gateway
    >     >             to the Internet or to direct incoming traffic to
    the VMs.
    >     >
    >     >             If you use a VLAN only network configuration to
    >     offload the
    >     >         gateway
    >     >             to an external device (router or l3 switch) or
    you use
    >     >         Neutron in
    >     >             DVR mode, this shouldn't be an issue.
    >     >
    >     >             On 04/13/2017 10:49 AM, Konstantin Raskoshnyi wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                 If all controllers are down - nova is down
    and vms
    >     won't
    >     >         be able to
    >     >                 access network
    >     >
    >     >                 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:33 AM Adam Lawson
    >     >         <alaw...@aqorn.com <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com>
    <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com>>
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    >     <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com>
    <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com <mailto:alaw...@aqorn.com>>>>>> wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                     Another FYI, OpenStack services don't
    have to be
    >     >         running to
    >     >                 access a
    >     >                     virtual machine. Period. Amy other
    condition that
    >     >         prevents
    >     >                 this is a
    >     >                     serious design flaw.
    >     >
    >     >                     //adam
    >     >
    >     >                     On Apr 13, 2017 5:31 AM, wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                         Fyi, the idea of controllers are a
    bit of a
    >     >         misnomer.
    >     >                 You should
    >     >                         have redundant services; they don't
    >     necessarily
    >     >         need to
    >     >                 be on
    >     >                         the same box. Since your asking as a
    new user.
    >     >         Have fun!
    >     >
    >     >                         //adam
    >     >
    >     >                         On Apr 12, 2017 5:27 PM, "Konstantin
    >     Raskoshnyi"
    >     >                         <konra...@gmail.com
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    <mailto:konra...@gmail.com <mailto:konra...@gmail.com>>>>>> wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                             Yes, machines are still running,
    but since
    >     >         neutron
    >     >                 is down
    >     >                             none of them can be accessible.
    >     >
    >     >                             On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:10 PM
    ron ramos
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    >     >                 wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                                 hi,
    >     >
    >     >                                 depends on what you mean by
    >     >         inaccessible, your VM is
    >     >                                 probably still up and running on
    >     the compute
    >     >                 node. but
    >     >                                 you won't be able to access them
    >     >         remotely as your
    >     >                                 controller node ( which is
    hosting
    >     >         neutron ) is
    >     >                 down.
    >     >
    >     >                                 regards,
    >     >                                 nhadie
    >     >
    >     >
    >     >                                 On Apr 12, 2017 11:31,
    "Konstantin
    >     >         Raskoshnyi"
    >     >                                 <konra...@gmail.com
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    <mailto:konra...@gmail.com <mailto:konra...@gmail.com>>>>>> wrote:
    >     >
    >     >                                     Hi guys,
    >     >                                     I'm new to openstack.
    >     >                                     Installed mirantis os 9,
    >     >                                     If one of controllers goes
    >     down - vm
    >     >                 machines are
    >     >                                     not accesible, I though
    openstack
    >     >         supposed
    >     >                 to work
    >     >                                     even if one controller
    is alive
    >     >
    >     >                                     Any thoughts?
    >     >
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