On 09/02/2014 09:50 AM, Erlon Cruz wrote: > Hi Anita, > > Thanks for the effort to help. I'll try to help as well providing feedback > and with anything else I can do the improve deployers experience. > > Thanks, > Erlon Thanks Erlon.
Anita. > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Anita Kuno <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 09/01/2014 09:27 AM, Erlon Cruz wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Stefano Maffulli <[email protected] >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri 29 Aug 2014 12:47:00 PM PDT, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: >>>>> Third-party-request >>>>> >>>>> This list is the new place to request the creation or modification of >>>>> your third party account. Note that old requests sent to the >>>>> openstack-infra mailing list don't need to be resubmitted, they are >>>>> already in the queue for creation. >>>> >>>> I'm not happy about this decision: creating new lists is expensive, it >>>> multiplies entry points for newcomers, which need to be explained *and* >>>> understood. We've multiplying processes, rules, points of contact and >>>> places to monitor, be aware of... I feel overwhelmed. I wonder how much >>>> worse that feeling is for people who are not 150% of their time >>>> following discussions online and offline on all OpenStack channels. >>>> >>>> >>> I feel the same. As a new comer to openstack community, I can say that >>> digging all projects Wikis searching for information is very cumbersome. >> In >>> fact It took some months to get subscribed in all channels that where >>> relevant to me. But, who knows if I'm missing some at this very moment. >>> >>> >> Your experience is common, Erlon, simply because setting up a third >> party ci system was never designed for newcomers to OpenStack. The third >> party process assumes familiarity with OpenStack at the very least as a >> developer, since our first 3 to 5 systems were created by regular >> contributors. We never imagined that people with zero experience with >> OpenStack would be setting up a third party ci system as their first >> objective, but that has proven to be the case. >> >> Given the volume, and level of experience with open source, new >> operators are bringing with them we, and specifically I, am overwhelmed >> with what folks need to accomplish their goals. >> >> Trying to make this experience less overwhelming was a motivating factor >> behind setting up the third party weekly meetings and setting goals for >> these meetings. >> >> >> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Goals_for_Third_Party_meetings >> >> You can see from reading the goals that one of our objectives is to have >> documentation in one place. Due to the nature of pressure from many >> sources on operators we haven't gotten very far in that goal, but it is >> still a goal and we are working towards it. I welcome your participation >> in continuing to move in the direction of that goal. >> >> Thanks Erlon, >> Anita. >> >> >>>> Are you sure that a mailing list is the most appropriate way of handling >>>> requests? Aren't bug trackers more appropriate instead? And don't we >>>> have a bug tracker already? >>>> >>>>> It would also be helpful for third party operators to join this >>>>> mailing list as well as the -announce list in order to reply when they >>>>> can to distribute workload and support new participants to thethird >>>>> party community. >>>> >>>> What makes you think they will join a list called 'request'? It's a >>>> request: I file a request, get back what I asked for, I say goodbye. >>>> Doesn't sound like a place for discussions. >>>> >>>> Also, if the problem with third-party operators is that they don't stick >>>> around, how did you come to the conclusion that two more mailing lists >>>> would solve (or help solving) the problem? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org >>>> < >> http://t.signauxdix.com/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Fask.openstack.org%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAwLnctacJDA&k=0d79c018-bbe4-4a87-91d0-012813563ea8 >>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OpenStack-Infra mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra >>>> < >> http://t.signauxdix.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.openstack.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fopenstack-infra&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAwLnctacJDA&k=4ec3e9a2-0a9c-45ae-8427-0a563b1988f1 >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenStack-Infra mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-Infra mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra >> > _______________________________________________ OpenStack-Infra mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra
