Hi Anita, Thanks for the effort to help. I'll try to help as well providing feedback and with anything else I can do the improve deployers experience.
Thanks, Erlon On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Anita Kuno <[email protected]> wrote: > On 09/01/2014 09:27 AM, Erlon Cruz wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Stefano Maffulli <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Fri 29 Aug 2014 12:47:00 PM PDT, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote: > >>> Third-party-request > >>> > >>> This list is the new place to request the creation or modification of > >>> your third party account. Note that old requests sent to the > >>> openstack-infra mailing list don't need to be resubmitted, they are > >>> already in the queue for creation. > >> > >> I'm not happy about this decision: creating new lists is expensive, it > >> multiplies entry points for newcomers, which need to be explained *and* > >> understood. We've multiplying processes, rules, points of contact and > >> places to monitor, be aware of... I feel overwhelmed. I wonder how much > >> worse that feeling is for people who are not 150% of their time > >> following discussions online and offline on all OpenStack channels. > >> > >> > > I feel the same. As a new comer to openstack community, I can say that > > digging all projects Wikis searching for information is very cumbersome. > In > > fact It took some months to get subscribed in all channels that where > > relevant to me. But, who knows if I'm missing some at this very moment. > > > > > Your experience is common, Erlon, simply because setting up a third > party ci system was never designed for newcomers to OpenStack. The third > party process assumes familiarity with OpenStack at the very least as a > developer, since our first 3 to 5 systems were created by regular > contributors. We never imagined that people with zero experience with > OpenStack would be setting up a third party ci system as their first > objective, but that has proven to be the case. > > Given the volume, and level of experience with open source, new > operators are bringing with them we, and specifically I, am overwhelmed > with what folks need to accomplish their goals. > > Trying to make this experience less overwhelming was a motivating factor > behind setting up the third party weekly meetings and setting goals for > these meetings. > > > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Goals_for_Third_Party_meetings > > You can see from reading the goals that one of our objectives is to have > documentation in one place. Due to the nature of pressure from many > sources on operators we haven't gotten very far in that goal, but it is > still a goal and we are working towards it. I welcome your participation > in continuing to move in the direction of that goal. > > Thanks Erlon, > Anita. > > > >> Are you sure that a mailing list is the most appropriate way of handling > >> requests? Aren't bug trackers more appropriate instead? And don't we > >> have a bug tracker already? > >> > >>> It would also be helpful for third party operators to join this > >>> mailing list as well as the -announce list in order to reply when they > >>> can to distribute workload and support new participants to thethird > >>> party community. > >> > >> What makes you think they will join a list called 'request'? It's a > >> request: I file a request, get back what I asked for, I say goodbye. > >> Doesn't sound like a place for discussions. > >> > >> Also, if the problem with third-party operators is that they don't stick > >> around, how did you come to the conclusion that two more mailing lists > >> would solve (or help solving) the problem? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org > >> < > http://t.signauxdix.com/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Fask.openstack.org%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAwLnctacJDA&k=0d79c018-bbe4-4a87-91d0-012813563ea8 > > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenStack-Infra mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra > >> < > http://t.signauxdix.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.openstack.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fopenstack-infra&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAwLnctacJDA&k=4ec3e9a2-0a9c-45ae-8427-0a563b1988f1 > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenStack-Infra mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-Infra mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-infra >
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