On 10/12/16, 11:18 AM, Dmitry Tantsur wrote: >On 10/12/2016 11:59 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> >> PTGs happen in more cost-effective locations, airport hubs with cheaper >> hotels, which should lower the cost of attending. Yes, I'm pretty sure >> traveling to Atlanta downtown for a week will be cheaper than going to >> Barcelona, Boston or Sydney downtown for a week. > >[...] > >And while PTG will surely be cheaper than the Summit, the Summit is not >going >away (for marketing, management, few developer representatives), so the >total >expense is unlikely to drop IMO.
Yes, I've been unsure about the cost justification for the PTG too. Hosting in a less expensive city will probably result in the PTG being slightly cheaper to attend than the Summit, but with ops feedback and so many other important activities missing, many developers will need to attend both the Summit and the PTG to be fully involved. Cost of PTG < Cost of Summit But: (Cost of PTG + Cost of Summit) > Cost of Summit Also, unless I've missed something, we still don't know the registration fees for the PTG and the new Summit do we? Last I remember, there was talk of a registration fee for the PTG, and then a Summit discount for PTG attendees[1]. Is that still the plan? Surely the PTG will need to be free to attend, otherwise isn't it better for project teams to simply shift our existing mid-cycles to the PTG timeframe with an altered focus to save money? Genuine question. >[...] >> >> Yes, the plan is (amongst other things) to make sure that upstream >> developers are available to interact with users (operators, but also app >> developers...) during the very week where *all* our community gets >> together (the OpenStack Summit). Currently we try to get things done at >> the same time, which results in hard choices between listening and >> doing. By clearly setting out separate times for each activity, we make >> sure we stay focused. > >Sorry, but to me it's extremely unrealistic to expect a big number of >developers >on the Summit any more. Sending folks to both events doubles the travel >budget, >and I know that many companies have struggles with sending people to one >event >already. I know a lot of people share this concern. It can already be hard enough to justify travel twice a year to an event comprising 100% of the community's activities. Splitting that 100% across two separate events of ~50% each, twice each per year, is going to make it much harder. I fear that some developers will be unable to attend any events at all, as neither the PTG or the new Summit will be as important as the combined Summit has been until now. I'm looking forward to hopefully hearing a lot more details about the PTG during the summit. Thanks, John [1] https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ptgfaq/ ________________________________ Rackspace Limited is a company registered in England & Wales (company registered number 03897010) whose registered office is at 5 Millington Road, Hyde Park Hayes, Middlesex UB3 4AZ. Rackspace Limited privacy policy can be viewed at www.rackspace.co.uk/legal/privacy-policy - This e-mail message may contain confidential or privileged information intended for the recipient. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
