Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2015-11-04 14:32:42 -0800: > To clarify that statement a little more, > > Speaking only for myself as an op, I don't want to support yet one more > snowflake in a sea of snowflakes, that works differently then all the rest, > without a very good reason. > > Java has its own set of issues associated with the JVM. Care, and feeding > sorts of things. If we are to invest time/money/people in learning how to > properly maintain it, its easier to justify if its not just a one off for > just DLM, > > So I wouldn't go so far as to say we're vehemently opposed to java, just that > DLM on its own is probably not a strong enough feature all on its own to > justify requiring pulling in java. Its been only a very recent thing that you > could convince folks that DLM was needed at all. So either make java > optional, or find some other use cases that needs java badly enough that you > can make java a required component. I suspect some day searchlight might be > compelling enough for that, but not today. > > As for the default, the default should be good reference. if most sites would > run with etc or something else since java isn't needed, then don't default > zookeeper on. >
There are a number of reasons, but the most important are: * Resilience in the face of failures - The current database+MQ based solutions are all custom made and have unknown characteristics when there are network partitions and node failures. * Scalability - The current database+MQ solutions rely on polling the database and/or sending lots of heartbeat messages or even using the database to store heartbeat transactions. This scales fine for tiny clusters, but when every new node adds more churn to the MQ and database, this will (and has been observed to) be intractable. * Tech debt - OpenStack is inventing lock solutions and then maintaining them. And service discovery solutions, and then maintaining them. Wouldn't you rather have better upgrade stories, more stability, more scale, and more featuers? If those aren't compelling enough reasons to deploy a mature java service like Zookeeper, I don't know what would be. But I do think using the abstraction layer of tooz will at least allow us to move forward without having to convince everybody everywhere that this is actually just the path of least resistance. __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
