On 01/11/14 16:31, Eoghan Glynn wrote:


+1 to this, with a term limit.

Notable that the Debian TC has been discussing term limits for
months now, and since DebConf they seem to have gotten much closer
to a concrete proposal[1] in the last week or so. Could be worth
watching for ideas on how our community might attempt to implement
something similar.

That is indeed an interesting approach that the Debian folks are
considering.

So, just to round out this thread, the key questions are:

  * whether a low & declining turnout is a real problem

and, if so:

  * could this have been driven by a weakness in the voting model,
    and/or the perception of representative balance in the outcomes

The options that were mooted on the thread could be ranked in order
of how radical they are, and how likely to have an impact:

  0. *do nothing* - accept low turnout as a fact of life, or hope that
     natural factors such as a slowdown in contributor growth will
     eventually cause it to stabilize.

  1. *make a minor concession to proportionality* - while keeping the
     focus on consensus, e.g. by adopting the proportional Condorcet
     variant.

It would be interesting to see the analysis again, but in the past this proved to not make much difference.

  2. *weaken the continuity guarantee* - by un-staggering the terms,
     so that all seats are contested at each election.

This is probably not feasible.

  3. *go all out on proportionality* - by adopting a faction-oriented
     voting model, such as STV with simultaneous terms.

I actually like Condorcet (to be clear, I meant that any possible problems with Condorcet are addressable with better education, not by changing the system). I don't think STV would be a good move.

  4. *ensure some minimal turn-over* - by adopting either traditional
     term limits, or the more nuanced approach that Jeremy referenced
     up-thread.

If it came down to it, my money would be on #2 or #3 for the reasons
stated before. With the added bonus that this would allow TC elections
to be viewed more as a plebiscite on some major issue (such as the
layering discussions).

I think you missed the most important option I mentioned in the thread - for the TC to engage more with the community and take an active technical leadership role in the design of OpenStack as a whole.

cheers,
Zane.


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