On 06/29/2017 02:35 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Sean McGinnis wrote:
The central issue being discussed here is an issue of external
perception. It's hard for newcomers to the OpenStack world to see what
is a part of OpenStack and what's not. If you google "openstack machine
learning", the first hits are Cognitive and Meteos, and it's impossible
to tell that those are actually not OpenStack projects. One of those has
been dead for 2 years -- having people think that those are official
projects hurts all the OpenStack projects, by lowering expectations
around what that means, in terms of quality, maintenance, or community.
Maybe this is a bit of a tangent from the overall discussion, but
since a lot of confusion, and bad perception, can stem from dead
projects - as a first small step, could we move dead projects
out of openstack/* into closedstack/* and move or mark their wiki
to indicate it is just for legacy reference?
It's difficult to do. From a governance perspective, the "hosted" (or
"unofficial") space has no rules, so it's nobody's job (and right) to
clean things up. From a technical perspective, it's painful due to
Gerrit requiring restarts for every rename.
It's doable -- we'd have to create some governance for the "hosted"
space (creating a bit more confusion, since this was previously defined
as the "ungoverned" space), and add more to the infra team pile of work.
Anyway, that's part of "addressing the confusion at the edges" option.
Agree, it is doable - but is also work.
I also continue to challenge the assertion. There are dead projects in
there for sure- but there are a LOT of non-dead live projects. It's not
like we have 6 live and 6 dead projects. The overwhelming majority of
the projects are not dead.
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