+1

On 5/5/2017 3:46 PM, Alex Schultz wrote:

Sooo... I always get a little triggered when I hear that OpenStack is
hard to deploy. We've spent last few years fixing it and I think it's
pretty well fixed now. Even as we speak I'm deploying 500+ vms on
OpenStack cluster I deployed last week within one day.

No, you've written a complex tool (that you understand) to do it.
That's not the same someone who is not familiar with OpenStack trying
to deploy OpenStack. I too could quickly deploy a decently scaled
infrastructure with some of the tools (fuel/tripleo/puppet/etc), but
the reality is that each one of these tools is inherently hiding the
complexities of OpenStack.  Each (including yours) has their own
flavor of assumptions baked in to make it work.  That is also
confusing for the end user who tries to switch between them and only
gets some of the flexibility of each but then runs face first into
each tool's short comings.  Rather than assuming a tool has solved it
(which it hasn't or we'd all be using the same one by now), how about
we take some time to understand why we've had to write these tools in
the first place and see if there's something we improve on?  Learning
the tool to deploy OpenStack is not the same as deploying OpenStack,
managing it, and turning it around for the true cloud end user to
consume.



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