Merov, further to Kantonen+Suzy and Lawson's posts about Snowglob
extensions, once the 2.0 code merges settle down, can we please get back to
the topic of client-side scripting that was rudely interrupted by the TPV
debacle?

It is precisely that kind of generic scriptable extension mechanism that
will allow easy integration into Snowglobe of industry-sponsored projects
such as that of VTT+IBM and well as community projects such as Saijanai's
work with Cobalt, instead of requiring each new application to be grafted on
as special cases.

Every special external plugin will need to communicate with an effective API
in the viewer, and expanding the viewer API for each such external plugin is
clearly not scalable nor even viable, not to mention inflexible.

This is why a generic viewer API for communicating with pluggable extensions
is extremely important for the future of Snowglobe as an extensible
application.  The number of possible extensions is unbounded, but the
hundreds of eyes focussed on this mailing list are probably sufficient to
come up with a suitably generic API and a good infrastructure design for
managing these kinds of extensions.


Morgaine.




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On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Lawson English <lengli...@cox.net> wrote:

> I'm working on mixing Cobalt with SL via the media plugin. Here's a bit
> of discussion of how it (and future plugins) might work:
>
> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Saijanai_Kuhn/Plugins_discussion
>
> Lawson
>
> Suzy Deffeyes wrote:
> > I'm very interested in this work ( full disclosure, IBM is one of the
> > sponsors of the work), Moriz, I agree that today's head mounted
> > displays are a bit bulky for widespread use.  It is great foundational
> > work, and there are some aspects that we could integrate into
> > Snowglobe that would be useful *today*.  One of those is the gesture
> > recognition code. It's towards the end of Tuomas' video. It uses a
> > webcam to detect a user nodding yes/no, and then plays an in world
> > animation based on detecting the gesture.
> >
> > Merov, once the Snowglobe 2.0 code settles down, can we discuss a way
> > to have a pluggable framework that people could use for things like
> > AR? Might make a good topic for a Hippo meeting.
> > Suzy
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Moriz Gupte <moriz.gu...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:moriz.gu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     This is very neat. Still a bit bulky for immediate use but a great
> >     foundation for future.
> >     R
> >
> >
> >     On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Kantonen Tuomas
> >     <tuomas.kanto...@vtt.fi <mailto:tuomas.kanto...@vtt.fi>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hello,
> >
> >         I've been working on a project using Second Life as a platform to
> >         develop mixed reality teleconferencing/-collaboration system.
> >         A brief
> >         intro about the project can be found at
> >         http://www.vtt.fi/multimedia/projects/mrconference.html
> >         and a video demo of our work so far is at
> >         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNB0_c-5TSk .
> >
> >         The project, continuing also in 2010, is split into two parts:
> >         overlaying a video image with avatars and virtual objects
> >         (augmented
> >         reality; AR) and using hand and head gestures to control
> >         avatars and
> >         interact with virtual objects (augmented virtuality; AV).
> >
> >         We have agreed to release our work as open source. However,
> >         lack of
> >         continuous "forward porting" would soon render the released code
> >         unusable. It would therefore be better to have some parts of our
> >         work incorporated into the Snowglobe sources.
> >
> >         I've tried to keep all our modifications as small as possible.
> The
> >         project is separated to our own ACME (Augmented Collaboration
> >         in Mixed
> >         Environments) module, vanilla Snowglobe code and an interface
> >         between
> >         the two.
> >
> >         I'd be ready to invest some time to implement a generic AR/AV
> >         support
> >         for Snowglobe if we could come up with a design that could be
> >         accepted
> >         by the Snowglobe developers. This would allow anyone to use
> >         Snowglobe
> >         as AR/AV research platform, with or without our software.
> >
>
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