Ok my response: > > There > > already is a channel for Project Indiana > (#os200805)
> What an interesting observation! Is it really surprising a channel that has not been advertised has nobody on it? That is why new people come to #opensolaris: "quasi: flood the channel with annoying noobs till the point of drowning any existing clue" > > The question is, how will the newcomers make > progress? Will they eventually have to "take the > plunge" and go SX:DE or SX:CE? SX-DE is pretty much out of the question after July. That clearly has not endeared Sun to the old school. And from what I see is a bad and unnecessary decision: "Note: This marks the end of the SXDE program. To provide a smooth transition, the SXDE 1/08 site will remain available through July of 2008." If SX-CE NV 91 was available on a torrent I would download it. Sun's downloader doesn't seem much good from where I sit in Cambodia. > > And should a new user master Solaris Express, sooner > or later they will find that Solaris 10 is the only > alternative for anything remotely serious - i.e. > getting some real work done. Define getting some real work done. Your requirements may be a lot different from mine. I simply need a functioning laptop, email, a browser, working internet including wireless, an office program, a bit of multi-media, strong security features and is stable. And what if there is a windows or linux program I must have?: www.virtualbox.org Indiana has Thunderbird and Mozilla and some basic multimedia. I get the rest here: http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/03/opensolaris-codec-pack/ For Office: www.openoffice.org It seems like the only thing missing is the wireless driver. As soon as I upgrade to NV 91 that will be working thanks to a helpful individual from the #opensolaris channel. What security features are in SX-DE or SX-DE that I will be missing? What will be missing in NV-91 on my laptop that is available in SX-CE NV-91? The OpenBSD Faq puts this nicely: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Desktop "As with all operating system decisions, the question is: can it do the job you desire in the way you wish? You must answer this question for yourself." I have 2005.08 triple booting with Linux and OSX on my iMac and installed on my laptop. I am working with a guy from the #opensolaris to get my laptop's wireless card working. So I have to say not everybody on #opensolaris is anti n00b. These are early days yet but I am pretty optimistic about the OpenSolaris community. There is a clear divide between the SXCE and the 2008.05 groups. But this divide does not need to be a gap that cannot be bridged. In Linux Format 106 June 2008 there is an interview with Kris Kennaway from FreeBSD. In it he talks about the relationship between FreeBSD and PC-BSD and DesktopBSD which I quote below: "We'd like to find the ways of bringing the PC-BSD guys closer. One thing we can do is reposition our relationship so that we really promote PC-BSD and DesktopBSD as the FreeBSD desktop army because they have done a lot of very good work focusing on the desktop, which has not been done so much in the FreeBSD project." Perhaps "repositioning the relationship" between 2008.05/11 and SXCE might be something worth looking at. Some experienced old hands have the disposition to work with new users. Others don't have the patience. That is the reason to separate the new users from the experienced. That is the reason why I suggested an extra channel. Then the main #opensolaris channel will not be: "flood[ed] with annoying noobs " I am amused to see that somebody already thinks #opensolaris-help is a great idea. They like me a lot going by the MOTD. But for some reason I think they might be under the age of 13. Get used to me. I will be here for a while. This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
