--- Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, > > > Yes, of course it would have been better! > > We have clearly identified an area where there > things could improve, > > but that's not the main problem. > > > > The main problem is that people who converted are > trying to push "what > > they're used to" from Linux, thereby reinventing > hot water. > > Bullshit dude - those people are trying to figure > out what works well > for Linux, and trying to identify the gaps on a > Solaris side. There's no > pushing going on, but a lot of good, open discussion > and I do believe > that we need to completely discuss the merits of > each proposal rather > than instantly dismissing them. You're as much in > the peanut gallery as > they are. > > > I'm pretty certain that nobody here will believe > me, but we keep > > coming back to this: > > > > SGI already has this whole mess not only sorted > out, but PEGGED and > > NAILED. We should talk to them. > > They've contributed a lot to Linux, they might be > willing to > > contribute to OpenSolaris. > > Care to expand on that? I, and I'm sure others, > would very much welcome > the history lesson on what they've successfully > done. FWIW, I think we > should be doing this with Linux too, and many other > communities out > there - but you instantly want to dismiss them with > every reply. > > > And I'd be glad to contribute, that's not even a > question in my mind. > > But first we have to sort out all this confusion > and quiet down the > > noise coming from the Linux-PC gallery. They just > want a revolution, > > but what they don't realize is that revolution is > not needed; [I]it's > > all there already[/I], and what some engineer > spent months and years > > working on is just fine, and [I]does not need to > be reinvented[/I]. > > Again. And again. And again. > > Okay - so it's going to become very clear to you in > the days to come, > that those who contribute positively get to define > the direction. It's > the simple open source principle. Those who talk, > don't. > > FWIW, I'd very much encourage you to have a good > read of the draft > governance model - > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1268&tstart=0 > > > Glynn Well.... 'There are currently 13239 ports in the FreeBSD Ports Collection.' As for SGI, they have their hands full with IRIX. If you really want to have a real discussion of porting packages to IRIX versus Solaris/OpenSolaris when talking about SGI instead of "Linux" which is more of a kernel versus a distribution like Debian. Debian has had many years top build its library of software and not all of that software is considered "STABLE" when you look beneath the sheets. I didn't say didn't work. As far as the parallel set of libraries, this happens on MS Windows if you don't overwrite the system libraries. Even if you do overwrite a system library, something else (another app) may break in the process. It is all a part of systems integration. Something like Blastwave is its own developer build environment - which is why I said it doesn't compare fairly to Sunfreeware (only in relation to the Companion CD). No one stops anyone from either using any resource out there to developing and use software - that is up to the user or developer. Everyone has their own way of supporting their packages. Yes, you may not like it but this comes from years of neglect to port software libraries needed by advanced Solaris developers - and many other reasons. Can these problems be solved? Yes. Teach people to fish for themselves and they'll be fishing until all the fish are gone. Meaning, teach people how to properly port and package software to Solaris/OpenSolaris with support from Sun and its engineers/developers and we'll slowly get where Debian is today. You can either "sit" or get off the pot as we say. The great thing about discussion is to bring up what is wrong so hopefully someone will care enough to try to fix an issue or help you fix the problem. May save a marriage or two. SGI, Debian, Redhat, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Mandriva, and other companies have all had their growing pains - don't let those OpenGL screensavers fool you.... Ken Mays @ EarthLink, Inc. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
