(resend due to technical difficulties)
Hello,
I just wanted to ask about the current state of the proposal in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_talk:Railway:train_protection
. It very much seems that (as many additional train protection systems
are added to openrailwaymap) the issue is quite relevant and it would be
very helpful to be a step further. What do you think? How to push it a
bit more?
Or differently asked: What is missing to step further?
Best regards
Björn
Am 24.04.23 um 10:00 schrieb [email protected]:
Patrik Ekengren wrote:
The underlying issue here is that rendering the safety system as
"ATC" on
the map is ambiguous for most people. ATC is not only the common name of
the national system in several countries, it could also be
interpreted as
an umbrella term for train protection systems.
In my opinion the current rendering cannot stay. It should be changed to
(my preference) Ebicab 700, or alternatively ATC-2 Sweden or
similar. This
to avoid any confusion with other systems with similar names.
Adding "Sweden" is somewhat confusing, since it is also used in Norway.
Perhaps ATC-2/Ebicab 700 would be a better option, and use the same
rendering for Sweden, Norway, Bulgaria and Portugal. At least now,
the same
colour is used in Portugal, Sweden and Norway.
"ATC-2/Ebicab 700" really looks like a compromise solution. It's not
elegant, even though it does solve the issue. But it doesn't seem like
there are other, more elegant solutions here (unless simply Ebicab 700
is used, but that's twisting facts a bit, apparently).
There is also still the question about the Norwegian systems FATC and
DATC. While FATC is still ATC-2/Ebicab 700, DATC is different in some
way. I have not found out exactly what the *technical* difference is,
whether any ATC-2/Ebicab 700 equipped train would understand DATC
telegrams or not. Would it make sense to map it as a separate safety
system? (In my opinion yes, as it is differentiated in the rules).
Have you edited Swedish railway lines to include railway:atc=yes ? I
would like more than two opinions on this - especially if we want to
reach an agreement on how to change the tag. Otherwise they could just
revert the changes.
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