Joseph,
Indeed, a 200USD is indeed a rather pricey solution. A more economic alternative is to use a software echo cancellation like SoliCall Pro.
Cheers,
From: Joseph Karwat <jkar...@jellnet.com>
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Indeed, a 200USD is indeed a rather pricey solution. A more economic alternative is to use a software echo cancellation like SoliCall Pro.
Cheers,
From: Joseph Karwat <jkar...@jellnet.com>
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Both the audio and video communications aspects of OM are critical. Anything we can do to enhance an end-user’s experience in those areas will definitely help increase OM’s rate of adoption. The AEC issue is rather important to resolve as most users are now expecting a “hands free” environment due to Skype. Requiring a headset is a major hurdle in widespread end-user adoption. Even if an IT manager installs the package, without end-user adoption, OM just withers on the vine.
I have purchased the new Logitech bcc950 web conference webcam and it’s an amazing device. It does solve OMs AEC issue, and I highly recommend it to anyone who uses video conferencing extensively, but at $200 USD, it’s rather pricey, and it’s not something one would put in a backpack.
So taking a look at OM’s priorities from an End-User perspective, I think the following items are at the top of my list:
1. AEC
2. User testing to make sure all the features in both the official and Interim releases work as advertised
3. Making Screen Sharing and Recording easier to use
4. Making the package easier to install
5. Proving a proven, tested, easy, upgrade methodology for IT managers to upgrade to newer versions of OM.
While I am not a programmer I can offer support in testing and would be pleased to lead an effort to organize the community to fully test the Official and interim releases.
I really like OM and its community and believe that OM has a very bright future.
Joseph
Jell Networks, Inc.
Enterprise Video Collaboration Solutions
From: George Kirkham [mailto:gkirk...@co2crc.com.au]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 11:32 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 11:32 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Sebastian,
I am sure there are others than
myself who would appreciate if we could implement Flash’s AEC.
I am not that skilled with the code or compiling but if I can help with testing please let me know how. That is if someone can build the “audio/video sample application to SWF11”, I might be able to test it out?
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: seba.wag...@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 5:18 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 5:18 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Hi George,
maybe we can make upgrade the audio/video sample application to SWF11 to have a quick look at all the feature currently available in flash player.
We have such an sampler application, that has a checkbox for all the available settings where you can make a simple 1:1 call via Red5 and test everything.
I think this should be done upfront. Otherwise its more a mystical thing that happens inside the application. If it works in the sampler it will/should work in OpenMeetings.
Sebastian
maybe we can make upgrade the audio/video sample application to SWF11 to have a quick look at all the feature currently available in flash player.
We have such an sampler application, that has a checkbox for all the available settings where you can make a simple 1:1 call via Red5 and test everything.
I think this should be done upfront. Otherwise its more a mystical thing that happens inside the application. If it works in the sampler it will/should work in OpenMeetings.
Sebastian
2012/10/9 George Kirkham <gkirk...@co2crc.com.au>
Maxim,
Adobe Flash will only handle Echo Cancellation if the client side Flash Application calls Flash’s “Enhanced audio API”.
I would greatly recommend that OpenMeetings should implement Echo Cancellation, if possible via Flash since this is the platform that OpenMeetings is currently using. The current Echo issue of means that we
only use OpenMeetings for its whiteboard and Video sharing.
In addition to acoustic echo cancellation, enhanced audio also provides noise suppression. Previously, Flash Player only provided noise suppression for Speex audio. The new noise-suppression scheme is applied to all captured audio samples. Noise suppression is controlled by the already-existing noiseSuppressionLevel property of the Microphone class and is enabled by default. Setting noiseSuppressionLevel to 0 will disable noise
suppression.
Enhanced audio has a couple of limitations:
•You cannot use enhanced and non-enhanced audio at the same time.
•You can only use a single enhanced audio capture at any given time.
Operation of enhanced audio is controlled by the enhancedOptions property on your Microphone object and the MicrophoneEnhancedOptions class. The class has the following properties:
•MicrophoneEnhancedOptions.mode selects the operation mode for enhanced audio. For possible values, please see the MicrophoneEnhancedMode class. The default value is MicrophoneEnhancedMode.HALF_DUPLEX for USB capture devices and MicrophoneEnhancedMode.FULL_DUPLEX otherwise.
•MicrophoneEnhancedOptions.echoPath specifies the echo path length (in milliseconds). A longer echo path means better echo cancellation but also introduces longer delays and requires more processing power. The default value is 128; the only other possible value is 256.
•MicrophoneEnhancedOptions.nonLinearProcessing specifies whether to use non-linear processing to
suppresses residual echo. A time-domain technique is used; the default value is enabled.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
I always
thought that Flash performs echo cancellation, encodes the sound and then send it to the client.
But I'm not really familiar with this.
Hopefully Sebastian or Timur can answer this
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:33 AM, George Kirkham <gkirk...@co2crc.com.au> wrote:
Maxim,
Selecting “echo cancelation checkbox in Flash settings” does not make any difference because the corresponding client side code is not implemented in OpenMeetings. At least not to my knowledge.
Skype has implemented AEC via flash, which is why Echo is an issue for OpenMeetings even with the Echo cancellation checkbox set, but not an issue for Skype.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 2:20 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 2:20 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sound issue on laptop due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11
video components are currently in SWF10
try rclick and check echo cancelation checkbox in Flash settings
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM, George Kirkham <gkirk...@co2crc.com.au> wrote:
Jean-Marie,
Sadly the sound issue on laptop is due to lack of Acoustic Echo Cancellation (AEC) that is available in Adobe Flash 10/11 but is not as yet implemented in OpenMeetings. Currently the only solution is to use headphones or speakerphones that support AEC. Examples of hardware which uses AEC are Logitech BCC950 ConferenceCam, ClearOne Chat 60-U, and the Jabra SPEAK410.
When I spoke to Sebastian about the problem of echo, he replied;
“compiling the SWF10 to SWF11 should not require so much of a code change, it is more a build environment configuration task.
I don't think we will transform the SWF8 code to AS3, we rather will concentrate on DHTML.”
I don't think we will transform the SWF8 code to AS3, we rather will concentrate on DHTML.”
I am not sure if any changes have yet been made to resolve the echo issue. But I sure wish it was resolved.
Thanks,
George Kirkham
IT Manager
Cooperative Research Centre For Greenhouse Gas Technologies (CO2CRC)
NFF House, 14 - 16 Brisbane Avenue, Barton, ACT, 2600, Australia
From: Jean-Marie Landri [mailto:jeanmarielan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 4:11 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Sound issue on laptop
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 4:11 AM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Sound issue on laptop
When using skype, there is no probleme at all !But when using OpenMeeting, I can hear my voice on others microphone and it become VERY loud !I need to praticly shut down my speaker, but then I cannot hear other peaple talk ! Everything works fine on Skype, why isn't it working on Open Meeting ?It feels like everyone should wear a headset ! Thank you very much,--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
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WBR
Maxim aka solomax
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
