I don't think prediction should be the functionality we want in the Node.  This 
functionality, in my opinion, belongs to the traversal policy.

All we want is to navigate away from the specified node.

It might have been easier had we kept the original FocusTraversal class - not 
only one can add a bunch of convenience methods (predict, infer, contemplate, 
etc.) but we could have added applicationFocusOwnerProperty() etc.

Do we need another brainstorming round?

-andy




From: openjfx-dev <openjfx-dev-r...@openjdk.org> on behalf of Michael Strauß 
<michaelstr...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 10:58
To:
Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.org <openjfx-dev@openjdk.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Focus Traversal API
How about „predictFocus“, which will return a Node without changing focus?

This would give applications even more flexibility, because they can then 
decide if they want to go ahead and actually change focus by calling 
predictFocus()?.requestFocus()


Andy Goryachev <andy.goryac...@oracle.com<mailto:andy.goryac...@oracle.com>> 
schrieb am Mi. 23. Okt. 2024 um 19:16:
Thank you for suggestion!

My only problem with a more assertive “moveFocus” is that it implies a success, 
while this API may or may not succeed (similarly to requestFocus).

The word "shift" in "shiftFocus" might clash with the "shift" key, don't really 
like that.

Maybe "requestTraversal" although it will expand auto-completion list that has 
2 items already.  Welcome any alternative, as long as it's not creat().

-andy


From: openjfx-dev 
<openjfx-dev-r...@openjdk.org<mailto:openjfx-dev-r...@openjdk.org>> on behalf 
of Michael Strauß <michaelstr...@gmail.com<mailto:michaelstr...@gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 10:05
To:
Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.org<mailto:openjfx-dev@openjdk.org> 
<openjfx-dev@openjdk.org<mailto:openjfx-dev@openjdk.org>>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Focus Traversal API
Maybe we can polish the naming a bit:

When used as a transitive verb, "traverse" means (according to
Merriam-Webster): to go or travel across or over, to move or pass
along or through.

MW gives the example: "light rays traversing a crystal". So one thing
is moving (light rays), while the other thing is static (a crystal).
Cambridge gives the example "Stanley traversed the continent from west
to east." Again, "Stanley" is moving, "the continent" is static.

Since "traverseFocus" is a transitive verb followed by a direct noun,
it sounds to me like "focus" is the thing that can be traversed over
or across.
As an analogy, let's call the method "traverseContinent" for a moment.
It becomes obvious that "continent" is the space which is traveled
across, and not the thing travelling.

In our case, "focus" is the moving thing, not the thing that it is
moved across. I would use something like "moveFocus", "shiftFocus", or
something along those lines.

As for "TraversalDirection", I think it is acceptable, but I'll note
that to me, "direction" implies one of the four directional modes, not
the two logical modes (previous and next).

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