On 1/4/16 7:26 PM, Matthias Schiffer wrote:
> On 01/05/2016 01:28 AM, Mark Hatle wrote:
>> On 1/4/16 5:57 PM, Matthias Schiffer wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2016 11:56 PM, Mark Hatle wrote:
>>>> On 1/4/16 4:26 PM, Matthias Schiffer wrote:
>>>>> On 01/04/2016 05:32 PM, Mark Hatle wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/4/16 10:11 AM, Matthias Schiffer wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/04/2016 02:14 PM, Ian Ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> The recipe uses hard-coded paths (specifically /lib) in do_install
>>>>>>>> and in FILES, however on a merged /usr system this directory might
>>>>>>>> not exist. Prefer base_libdir.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ian Ray <ian....@ge.com>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should use nonarch_base_libdir, base_libdir defaults to /lib64 on
>>>>>>> ppc64, which is not where the firmware is expected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At a minimum, I would agree nonarch_base_libdir, however..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that the kernel loader/modules/tools themselves actually have
>>>>>> '/lib'
>>>>>> hard coded into them. This is the reason why /lib/firmware was used and
>>>>>> not one
>>>>>> of the variables.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is one of the cases were /lib is actually correct, since that is
>>>>>> what the
>>>>>> system is expecting. We can make some kind of accommodation for systems
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> /lib -> /usr/lib... but that should be done inside of the filesystem
>>>>>> setup
>>>>>> processing and not the package itself. (I'm referring to the
>>>>>> 'meta/files/fs-perms.txt' file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There seem to be some intresting ideas going around about what can or
>>>>> should be done via fs-perms.txt... AFAICT, fs-perms.txt can't move
>>>>> around files, so moving files form /lib to /usr/lib must be done in the
>>>>> package recipes themselves. (In my opinion, fs-perms.txt is a bad hack
>>>>> for broken recipes that shouldn't exist anyways, but that's another
>>>>> discussion)
>>>>
>>>> Since I wrote fs-perms.txt, I'll explain the purpose. Individual packages
>>>> don't
>>>> know if something is a directory, symbolic link, or what
>>>> owner/group/permissions
>>>> a system level directory should be set to.
>>>>
>>>> The entire purpose of it is to declare a common set of -system-
>>>> directories.
>>>> (Packages/layers can amend and override this as necessary to add their own
>>>> system directories.)
>>>>
>>>> FYI System directories are things like /usr/bin. Having every package in
>>>> the
>>>> system need to define /usr/bin as a directory with an owner/group of
>>>> root:root
>>>> and permission of 0755 is a REALLY bad practice.. but putting this
>>>> knowledge
>>>> into a single file that synchronizes everything is very practical.
>>>>
>>>> When the system level directories are mapped to symlinks.. the case where
>>>> everyone is trying to folks /usr -> / or /bin -> /usr/bin.. then it can
>>>> AUTOMATICALLY map and move the files in these places..
>>>
>>> Thanks for the explanation, I asked a similar question a few weeks ago
>>> and didn't get a satisfactory answer about what fs-perms can do. I'll
>>> rethink my approach for the merged-usr patchset.
>>
>> (I've been out since near the beginning of December, but I'm back now..)
>>
>>> So the remaining issue is how to conditionalize this. I'd like to find a
>>> solution which doesn't require distros to define their own fs-perms when
>>> they just want to use a merged /usr dir.
>>
>> You conditionalize it by providing different default fs-perms files -- OR
>> since
>> more then one file can be loaded -- additional fs-perms with the permutations
>> you desire.
>>
>> I could easily see having an files/fs-perms-usr-only.txt and an
>> files/fs-perms-no-usr.txt
>>
>> Where the first would be something like:
>>
>> # Define symlinks from base directories to their prefix versions
>> /bin link ${bindir}
>> /sbin link ${sbindir}
>> ...
>>
>> fs-perms-no-user would be:
>>
>> # Define that $prefix as simply pointing back to root for compatibility
>> /usr link /
>>
>>
>> Then in your distro.conf file:
>>
>> FILESYSTEM_PERMS_TABLES = "files/fs-perms.txt"
>> FILESYSTEM_PERMS_TABLES_append_usronly = " files/fs-perms-usr-only.txt"
>> FILESYSTEM_PERMS_TABLES_append_nousr = " files/fs-perms-no-user.txt"
>>
>>
>> The above will cause packages to produce the symlinks ONLY if the package
>> itself
>> creates a matching directory. If the package is moving all of it's files to
>> the
>> new configured location (from the distro.conf file) then no link is present.
>>
>> Assuming you want the links, I would add some kind of a change or
>> configuration
>> to the base-files to do this.
>>
>> (I did argue in the past, unsuccessfully, that base-files or something it
>> calls
>> should process the fs-perms files and simply generate a base configuration
>> based
>> on this setup. Ensuring symlinks and final directories were always created..
>> but that was rejected at the time..)
>
> I see. Do you think it would make sense to provide a fs-perms snippet in
> oe-core for the Fedora-style merged-usr setup?
This has always been a question, and I leave the answer more up to the oe-core
community as a whole.
Right now oe-core has a basic distribution configuration, and it's expected that
developers will override this configuration with their own requirements. (I.e.
the Yocto Project does this by providing the poky configuration.)
If oe-core provides multiple configurations, then we'll need a test plan and
resources to test them (not necessarily a bad thing, but there are ramifications
outside of the code base when making these kinds of changes.)
The immediate alternative is create a distribution layer that implements this
work.. it can be used to show everything is functional or highlight areas where
there are bugs in oe-core so they can be fixed. (Supporting this workflow has
always been intended, so I'm fully behind finding and fixing bugs with this kind
of filesystem merge.)
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think if a distro config changes any of the base paths
>>>>> ({nonarch_,}base_libdir, base_{,s}bindir), *all* packages should respect
>>>>> this. It's the distro's reponsiblity to create symlinks so everything is
>>>>> found again at the expected paths (other examples for such hardcoded
>>>>> paths: /bin/sh; the dynamic linker). See also my patchset I submitted to
>>>>> this mailing list, which introduces a distro feature to have such
>>>>> symlinks created by base-files.
>>>>
>>>> When this was written it was heavily argued against this knowledge being in
>>>> base-files or base-dirs (suggested at the time) packages.
>>>
>>> Is that discussion archived somewhere? I'm interested in the
>>> argumentation. Do any non-OE distros have a similar feature?
>>
>> This would have been discussed back in the original oe-core days. Likely
>> around
>> 2010 on the oe-core list....
>
> Okay, I've found at least some fragments of the discussion.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Defining a base setup, and then using a synchronization pass using the
>>>> fs-perms.txt was the way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Note, fs-perms process is absolutely supposed to move files around -if- a
>>>> symlink is generated.. i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> /lib -> /usr/lib
>>>>
>>>> if you write to /lib/firmware, the code is supposed to see the directory of
>>>> '/lib', create a new /usr/lib (set perms properly) and move the contents
>>>> if /lib
>>>> to /usr/lib, then replace the directory with a symbolic link.
>>>>
>>>> If it's NOT doing that, lets fix it.
>>>
>>> I didn't try yet as I didn't now that it is supposed to to that.
>>
>> This is a good example where the upstream software is always going to use
>> '/lib', but you want it to go somewhere else. Without this fs-perms
>> mechanism,
>> you would need to patch this package and potentially others. But by using
>> fs-perms, they can continue to rely on their special knowledge of '/lib', and
>> the system will fix it up before packaging to where the distribution actually
>> wants the files.
>>
>
> I guess I'm fine with fs-perms.txt fixing permissions and owners, but
> moving around files goes a bit too far in my opinion. Doing so will
> potentially break relative symlinks and other relative paths used by
> packages. I'd have implemented the "link" feature as a QA-only thing:
> make the build fail if there are any files where a symlink is supposed
> to go, but don't try to fix it up.
>
> Another (more easily fixable) issue is that the automagic renaming
> doesn't work if the target dir already exists (if I understand the code
> correctly). So fixing up a package containing both files in /bin and
> /usr/bin, where /bin is supposed to link to /usr/bin, will fail.
I would consider this a bug we should fix in the code. The only failure should
be if moving the contents results in two non-identical files clashing.
--Mark
> Matthias
>
>
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