On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 17:30 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > I think what Khem means is that any time is time to discuss the > release process as this is a community driven project and we must to > be open for feedback and revisit our previous concepts.
There is a time and a place for such discussions. I think its clear that right now, I'm personally finding the situation we're in rather stressful and even getting the release into a shape where it can ship is proving difficult. The last thing I need right now is to go through this discussion again. Particularly when people have not gone and read the things I wrote up last time this was discussed. I could ask why not, the answer is probably because its easier just to ask questions and be unhappy with what we have. I appreciate that what we have today does cause some issues. I also realised a while ago that regardless of what solution we pick, there are people who are not going to like it. I've talked about that in previous mailing list posts to try and explain why we end up where we are today. I also don't believe anything has materially changed since we last discussed this, some people are just still unhappy. Some people will be unhappy regardless. I'm actually at a pretty low point with OE and Yocto in general. It eats up a huge amount of my time, both work and personally and I have started wondering what I actually get out of it other than a shortened life expectancy. On the most part I see a lot of complaints about things and continual questioning of "why we do X and wouldn't Y be better". I do my best to deal with this patiently and each time try and explain why and then re-evaluate if a change makes sense or not. When the same things repeat time and again, my patience can wear thin though. Now, I do realise that there probably are some happy users out there and that happier users tend to be quieter than the unhappy ones, at least I certainly hope so. As such, I tend to see the worst side of the projects all the time. Equally, it can get to you after a while. So, yes, I do believe there is a time and place for discussions and not everything should be questioned and discussed at any time. That doesn't mean its not a community driven project. Anyhow, I can't stop any discussion, however my point is I'd much prefer to spend my time trying to sort out the release. If others feel differently, I will indeed have to spend more time on this instead. I do also believe it is too late to change things for this release[1]. [1] Since I will no doubt get asked to explain that, the consequences are quite significant when you consider bugzilla version fields, autobuilder scripts, release scripts, my own branching scripts and so on. The things I haven't thought of worry me even more. Yes, we can in theory change anything and we could change this, but its probably a week of work shaking out just those changes. Do I want to do that now? No, I don't. For example I'm attending ELC-E next week. Do we want me talking to people or sitting in a corner trying to un-break such a change? Cheers, Richard -- _______________________________________________ Openembedded-core mailing list Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core
