Hi, On 2011-01-10, at 06:57 , Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> On 2011-01-09, at 16:51 , Paolo Pozzan wrote: >>> is there any news about OOoCon 2011? >> We had previously thought about one location whose cost and other >> logistical issues force a reassessment. > > But what happened to Paris 2011? > Well, I really wanted to present a destination and locale for 2011 and we had previously discussed Paris, but even then—at OOoCon in Budapest—the Paris idea was never quite absolutely certain, and it depended upon a lot of uncertain things (like a lower cost than I had envisioned). And then came the cost effect. I started investigating just how much it would cost, and how difficult it would be to organize. Given that the main appeal of OOoCons, I think we all agree, is the opportunity to meet developers, contributors, and spend time with them discussing things at good friendly places without fretting about cost (for hotels, meals, snacks, coffee, whatever), Paris seemed less feasible. And it got worse, with the difficulties of actually organizing it. Berlin or Hamburg offer much cheaper prices, now (and it's getting better, probably), plus much easier organizational options. > Its bid was never formalized and shown to the community despite obvious > requests on this list (allegedly, this was just due to lack of time), > the winner was announced out of the blue in Budapest the reason being > that several other proposals had been received, but all of them were > seemingly unacceptable (and again, the community never got to know the > locations or the proposals that had been excluded). > > And now, if relocation is due to cost and logistical issues, it's clear > that the Paris proposal wasn't complete enough… Indeed, it was not. > > Of course, when I mention that "the community" was not informed I speak > in general: some (non-Oracle) community members from the Marketing > project appeared to know everything, or at least they wrote on this list > as they did know everything, but they never disclosed all details and > I've always been curious about the OOoCon 2011 story, that now gets this > fresh new twist. I hope we can bring some transparency back in the > process for future selections! No one more than I would like to make this process as transparent as it could be and to make it, too, as professionalized as it could be and as we could afford. 2011 is now. And the rush seems to require serious compromise. What I'd like to do, then, is to go with a Berlin or Hamburg proposal and layout why—as I hinted at above—and then get things *going*. I've helped to organize quite a few OOoCons, and there is never enough time, never enough people, never enough money, never enough enough. But now if we agree on one or the other of the cities, we can engage a lot of local help, especially from the Hamburg team, and see about provisioning a great conference venue, hotels, travel arrangements, and so on. I really want 2011's OOoCon to be a brilliant, fresh success leaving only memories of wanting more. :-) > >> I am thinking, that is, of Berlin or Hamburg > > Looks reasonable, given the confused situation. alas, yes. > > Regards, > Andrea Pescetti - Italian N-L Project Lead. ciao Louis > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
