Hi Peter, *,

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Peter Junge <[email protected]> wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Peter Junge <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> as well the files are quite large (average 500MB) as the resolution is
>>> DVD
>>> quality (720x400), which might be an issue for people who live in
>>> countries
>>> with low-bandwidth Internet connection. If anyone intends to work on
>>> format
>>> and resolution,
>>
>> What would be an acceptable filesize? And what are the seeking
>> requirements? if it is not required to be able to seek, h264 can be
>> very efficient for more or less static scenes..
>
> Well I wouldn't target a specific file size, but the smallest file size,
> that still delivers an acceptable quality and it's quite certain, that
> people who own a low-bandwidth connection have also lower requirements
> regarding the term "acceptable".  ;-)

:-) - I created a file of
http://users2.ooodev.org/~ooocon2010/02_september/FT_409/18.15_michael_stehmann.flv
(201MB) with ffmpeg's x264 preset "placebo" to get an idea what is
doable without fiddling around with parameters, just burning CPU
cycles (5fps encoding speed :-)). The presets defaults to ~200kbps
average bitrate (for comparison: included audio is mp3 with 128kbps) -
that results in a file of around 40MB (for 16:46)

> The Beijing Videos are around 250MB
> per 45 minutes.

So with that preset it would be around half of that - of course
depends on the source quality whether all results can deal with a low
bitrate, but for just a little over the audio bitrate, the result is
quite OK :-)
http://users2.ooodev.org/~cloph/videos/placebo_200kbits.mkv

> Reducing the resolution of the Budapest videos to 540x300
> should still give good quality.

the 720x400 is kind of misleading anyway, at least for the one I
picked, as there are big black borders that I did crop.

> I would guess even 360x200 should work.

I also created a version encoded/sampled at 320x240 with xvid
encoding, no bframes (as required by my Samsung T10 (portable
music/video/fm,.. device). It requires them in an avi container, but
those must be named svi (shame on them for "inventing" a new "video
format")
So in case your player doesn't want to play, rename to avi and it should work.
I also uses 200kbps average bitrate. The quality is much worse
compared to the h264 version, but the portable unfortunately only
supports wmv and xvid...

http://users2.ooodev.org/~cloph/videos/xvid_200kbits.svi

> When
> making experiments for the Beijing videos two years ago, I also ended up
> with the perception that h264 delivers the best quality/file size ratio for
> the job I was trying to achieve.

Yes - it really deserves the term "Advanced" Video Codec.
I created another version with the placebo setting, this time with
100kbps average rate, i.e. less for video than for audio, and it is
still acceptable.

http://users2.ooodev.org/~cloph/videos/placebo_100kbits.mkv

So tell me what you think.

ciao
Christian

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