Jangan percaya dengan report ANALYST :  Kata dasarnya dari 'ANAL' 
and you know what comes out from there...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "tbumi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei <highwaystar91@> wrote:
> > Biasalah maling teriak maling dalam keadaan ini. Nanti 
>   market yang membuktikan analisa siapa yg benar.
>   Ada pihak yg ingin barang murah, tapi masih belum bisa
>   dapat barang murah. Sehingga bikin news yg pesimis saja.
>   Dalam investasi, pemodal harus selalu optimis. 
>   Hanya doa yg optimis pasti dikabuli TUHAN.  
> 
> 
> 
> > Pak Sulistyo, bukannya anda sdh memutuskan hal ini waktu 
> beli? "dibeli, buat warisan anak2 kalo udah gede aja"...nah kalo 
sdh 
> gitu, nggak usah pusing pak dgn rekomendasi dan berita ini itu yg 
> tujuan utamanya adalah hanya utk mendistorsi pikiran para trader 
> (seems to be working in your case as you doubted again your 
> decision). Mesti sabar pak dalam hal investasi saham, ingat 
postingan 
> pak DE mengenai bagaimana cuan 100%...baru2 ini. Kalo saham blue 
chip 
> apalagi pertambangan di hold minimum 3 thn akan memberikan return 
yg 
> sangat bagus. Ingat saja, teruslah tambah posisi antm anda sedikit 
> demi sedikit layaknya membangun bisnis atau fondasi yg kuat. 
Ingat, 
> ini bukan utk anda tapi utk ANAK2 anda jadi hitung2 nabung buat 
> mereka (jadi nantinya kita nggak usah keriting mikirin uang 
edukasi 
> buat mereka apalagi kalo mereka bilang, "Pa, teman2 semua ke US 
> lho...saya IKUT!". Nah, niscaya nantinya anda tinggal bilang, "No 
> problem!!!"
> >    
> >   So...sekali beli nggak usah ragu utk menyimpan antm (aduh, 
saya 
> mesti minta komisi nih dari antam ). It takes patience & time to 
> achieve great wealth. Kecuali mau trading harian...mending ke 
Genting 
> aja pak lebih seru   
> > 
> > 
> > sulistyo_winarto <sulistyo_winarto@> wrote:
> >           Dear Sobat2 OB,
> > Soal ANTM punya aku gimana nehh ? dibeli, buat warisan anak2 
kalo 
> > udah gede aja.
> > Ini cuplikan dari luar & dalam soal ANTM
> > 
> > Aneka Tambang Tbk PT ANTM.JK (Jakarta)
> > Sector: Basic Materials Industry: Gold & Silver View ANTM.JK on 
> > other exchanges 
> > As of 4:00 AM EST
> > Rp.3,675IDR 
> > Price Change
> > 125.00 
> > Percent Change
> > 3.52% 
> > 
> > Profile Report 
> > Consensus Recommendation Company Fiscal Year End Month Last 
> > Updated
> > HOLD December Monday, November 05, 2007
> > Analyst Recommendations and Revisions
> > 1-5 Linear ScaleCurrent 1 Month Ago 2 Months Ago 1 Year Ago
> > BUY (1) 2 2 3 1
> > OUTPERFORM (2) 2 2 1 0
> > HOLD (3) 3 3 3 7
> > UNDERPERFORM (4)2 1 1 0
> > SELL (5) 3 3 4 1
> > No Opinion 0 0 0 0
> > 
> > 3.18 3.09 3.17 3.00
> > NB : semakin besar nilai rekomendasi, maka semakin kurang disukai
> > 
> > ANTM Kesulitan Jadi Perusahaan Kelas Dunia
> > Posted November 2nd, 2007 by Redaksi
> > o Berita 
> > o detik Finance 
> > Perusahaan pelat merah, PT Aneka Tambang Tbk (Antam) mengaku 
sulit 
> > berkembang menjadi perusahaan kelas dunia seperti Companhia Vale 
do 
> > Rio Doce (CVRD) dengan kondisi seperti sekarang. 
> > Dirut Antam D Aditya Sumanegara menjelaskannya dalam diskusi 
> > pertambangan yang digelar di Graha Niaga, Jakarta, Jumat 
> (2/11/2007).
> > Berita selengkapnya bisa dilihat di detik Finance
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "gmail-doekoen.jamoe" 
> > <doekoen.jamoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Quote from Klubsaham.com
> > > 
> > > Aneka Tambang, Riding On Metal Prices
> > > (ANTM.JK/ANTM IJ - Rp3,550) - SELL (under review) Result
> > > 
> > > ANTM posted 9M07 revenues of Rp8.3tr or up by 143.1% YoY 
buoyed 
> by 
> > strong metal prices and higher sales volume of high-grade nickel 
> > ores. Higher prices guarded costs that have been hiking 
throughout 
> > the year. ???? [size=18][b]
> > > 
> > > DISINI SI ANALIS TIDAK LIHAT REPORT PENGELUARAN BULANAN ANTM, 
> > DIA HANYA MENGUTARAKAN PENDAPAT PRIBADI.[/b][/size]
> > > 
> > > As a result, ANTM registered robust gross profit and operating 
> > profit growth by 262.0% and 289.7%, respectively. Joint with 
higher 
> > dividend income, net interest income as well as a one-off item 
> > amounted Rp86bn, the company's strong operation performance 
lifted 
> > net profit by 373.7% YoY to Rp3.8tr.
> > > 
> > > Sales volume of high-grade nickel ores, gold, and silver 
advanced 
> > by 126%, 83%, and 18% YoY to 5.0m wet metric ton (wmt), 3.7ton, 
and 
> > 18.9ton, respectively, compensating lower sales volume of low-
grade 
> > nickel ores, bauxite, and ferronickel that dropped 62%, 23%, and 
4% 
> > to 0.2mn wmt, 0.8mn wmt, and 9,279 ton. 
> > > 
> > > QoQ basis, ANTM booked 3Q07 revenues, gross profit, operating 
> > profit, and net profit of Rp2.3tr (-37.8% QoQ), Rp1.4tr (-48.1% 
> > QoQ), Rp1.2tr (-51.5% QoQ), and [b]Rp958.1bn [/b](-46.8% QoQ).
> > > 
> > > Stock Data
> > > 
> > > PERHATIKAN ANGKA-ANGKA AJAIB BERIKUT INI, ANGKA-ANGKA INI 
KELUAR 
> > TANPA ADA HUBUNGANNYA DENGAN ANGKA-ANGKA YANG DISAMPAIKAN DIATAS!
> > > Target Price: Rp2,720 angka ajaib !!!
> > > P/E (x): 7.8 angka lebih ajaib !!!
> > > KENAPA CUMAN 7.8? APA NGAK TERLALU BESAR? KENAPA TIDAK 6.18? 
ATAU 
> > 5.5? ATAU 4.3? ATAU.....1 (satu) ?
> > > P/BV (x): 3.8
> > > Div. Yield (%): 7.0 
> > > 
> > > Comment
> > > High metal prices has been the driving factor for stellar 9M07 
> > performance, bringing ANTM sets of record performances from top 
> line 
> > (exceeding US$900m) to bottom line (exceeding US$400m). However, 
> > cost concerns will be the next crucial theme going into 4Q07 and 
> > onwards as oil price continues to strengthen while base metal 
> prices 
> > has started to decline. With the absence of huge capital-
intensive 
> > projects, strong metal prices generated generous free cash flows 
> > that helped ANTM solidify its balance sheet, raising cash by 
more 
> > than 4.0x to Rp4.4tr and trimmed debt by 38% YoY to Rp1.0tr. As 
a 
> > result, ANTM's balance sheet reported a turnaround from 
reporting a 
> > net debt of Rp770bn a year earlier to a net cash of Rp3.4tr or 
net 
> > cash per share of Rp355. A strong balance sheet should provide a 
> > leeway for ANTM to materialize their acquisition plans. An 
> > accidental stoppage of the newly built FeNi-3 unit in mid-2Q07 
> > resulted in a 20% QoQ decline in ferronickel production. 
Luckily, 
> > ANTM was able to offset the lower contribution from ferronickel 
by 
> > boosting the sales of high-grade nickel ores to China. Going 
> > forward, ANTM toned down its ferronickel production target in 
2008 
> > to 17,000 ton from high 20,000 ton. Gold production from Pongkor 
> has 
> > been slow to pick up with growth of only 1.0% YoY, while 
reporting 
> a 
> > 3.0% QoQ production decline in 9M07.
> > > 
> > > AIYA ! TERNYATA ANGKA Rp2,720 DENGAN PE 7.8an DIDASARKAN NETT 
> CASH 
> > HINGGA BULAN SEP 07. YAITU SEBESAR RP 355 x7.8 (7.8 sendiri 
entah 
> > angka keramat dari mana?) 
> > > BARU 1 KALI INI AKU LIHAT SEORANG ANALIS MEMPERKIRAKAN Price 
> > Earning Ratio TERHADAP NETT CASH, BUKAN NETT PROFIT 
> > KUARTALAN/TAHUNAN!
> > > WOW, MUNGKIN INI CARA ANALISA YANG BARU !
> > > 
> > > ANTM performance in 3Q07 was weak due to: 
> > > 1) declining prices of all metals produced by the company, 
except 
> > gold; 
> > > 2) lower sales volume of ferronickel and high-grade ores amid 
> > higher sales of gold and silver; and
> > > 3) continued cost escalation. Consequently, we are not 
surprised 
> > to by the set of weak quarterly result.
> > > 
> > > We are revising our projections, hence our recommendation and 
> > target price. Base metal prices have started to rebound albeit 
at a 
> > slow pace, while gold price is on the up trend. Any gold mine 
> > acquisition, could be a potential surprise; yet, it hinges on 
the 
> > quality of the mine. Financial Summary Y-o-Y and Q-o-Q 
> Profitability 
> > Performance
> > > (Rpbn) 9M06 9M07 Chg (%) 2Q07 3Q07 Chg (%)
> > > Revenue 3,401 8,270 143.1 3,628 2,256 (37.8)
> > > Gross profit 1,506 5,452 262.0 2,601 1,350 (48.1)
> > > Operating profit 1,317 5,132 289.7 2,496 1,211 (51.5)
> > > Net profit 809 3,831 373.7 1,800 958 (46.8)
> > > Gross margin (%) 44.3 65.9 71.7 59.8
> > > Operating margin (%) 38.7 62.1 68.8 53.7
> > > Net margin (%) 23.8 46.3 49.6 42.5
> > > 
> > > Adi Hartadi
> > > Tel: (6221) 515 2727
> > > adi.hartadi@
> > > 
> > > DISCLAIMER
> > > 
> > > MAKELAR BILANG BAHWA RESEARCH DARI SI ADI HARTADI BULL SHIT!
> > > 
> > > Tapi sejujurnya Makelar sih senang kalau ANTM turun lagi 
karena 
> > sejujurnya ANTM overweight ama penumpang retail, sebaiknya para 
> > retail kecil seperti makelar dan teman-teman pada lepasin barang-
> > barangnya agar ngereknya ngak susah. hi....hi....hi...
> > > Disclaimer on.
> > > 
> > > Daisy You've got friend now!
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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