Volume is part of TA.., dan FOR SURE begitu juga dgn TREND.., jadi indicator diamond yg anda sebutkan ya part of TA juga., Mengenai VSA sendiri, itu hanyalah sebuah TRADING SYSTEM yg mengunakan pendekatan Volume Analysis., saya menangkap, mungkin yg dimaksud pak Adjies lebih ke Trading Psychology dan/atau Psychology dibalik satu pergerakan volume atau market., jadi istilah "VSA non TA" bikin saya agak bingung juga.., namanya aja udah Volume Spread Analysis., bagaimana kita menganalisa volume dikaitkan dengan pergerakan harga (spread / hi&low)., Data yg dibutuhkan juga OHLC+V., jadi IMHO, kurang tepatlah istilah tsb.
Analogi mobil dan bensin juga agak membingungkan, yg saya tau Price itu mobil.., volume adalah bensinnya.., (I read that somewhere, lupa saya dimana).., pointnya adalah HARGA (mobil) tidak bisa jalan kalau tidak ada volume (BENSIN).. Bukan FA & TA (mobil) yg ngga bisa jalan kalau ngga ada VSA (bensin).. hehehe Well, Saya termasuk fans berat Mr. Volume, I consider it as my best friend.., dan Volume Analysis is what I use every day on my trading activity, tapi it is not a Holy Grail.., repeat, NOT a HOLY GRAIL., it is just a technique in Technical Analisis., dan VSA sebagai "trading tool" and/or "trading system", is not an artificial intelligence.., Hati-hati., saya tidak ingin anda kecewa. Regards, JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yuliawati_ta...@yahoo.com Sent: 01 Maret 2009 16:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: VSA bernuasa non-TA ?(JT) Kbetulan saya salah satu yg ikut dlm webinar si tom mgkn mksd pak ajies how to improve TA(dlm hal ini VSA) itu sendiri krn si tom tuh pake tambahan indicator seperti diamond warnanya biru merah dan signal merah ijo yg kata si tom bisa mendeteksi trend...mungkin loh ya pak ...saya newbie sorry klo salah input... Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _____ From: "adjies2000" Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:13:02 -0000 To: <obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: VSA bernuasa non-TA ?(JT) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> , "JsxTrader" <jsxtra...@...> wrote: > > Pak Adjies, saya masih ngga paham mengapa anda sepertinya menempatkan VSA > diluar technical analysis..., karena menurut saya Volume Analysis adalah > bagian dari TA.., VSA adalah TRADING SYSTEM yg mengunakan pendekatan Volume > Analysis.., as a matter of fact VSA butuh data OHLC + Volume. > > Well, sebenernya ngga penting juga sih utk diperdebatkan, saya Cuma > penasaran aja pingin tau pandangan anda. > ---------------------------------------------------------- Reply ; Dear JT, Mohon sedikit sabar, aku sedang "mencerna gizi" VSA ala Tom Williams, disana aku "merasa" dapat menangkap VSA teknikal dan VSA non teknikal....persisnya aku belum mau membuka, "When the market is being shaken-out on bad news, he is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he is looking to sell." ======Fakta ini yang sering terjadi dipasar, kita boleh menghibur diri...bahwa pasar lagi anomali atau gila....tetapi itu "kelemahan VSA-TA yang kita jadikan HOLY-Grail". Pasar dengan "tanpa ampun" membuat account kita berdarah-darah. kita Trader terdidik/terlatih dengan analisa Fundamental atau teknikal seringkali terjebak dengan "ego orang sekolahan"----please.....TA $ FA itu ibarat Mobil..........tanpa bensin tidak akan jalan....pls TA & Fa itu mahluk hidup........ terkadang diberi Oktan 90 juga laju (dalam kondisi normal VSA TA works goods), tapi suatu saat TA & FA malah dojan rumput(dalam pasar chaotic Bearish sekarang ini dibutuhkan VSA Anti-Herd.) Thus, untuk market size seperti BEI.......ada VSA diluar hitungan mathematik TA......dan it's work.-------Bagaimana , Pak Oentong ? NOte: Bersama teman sedang meng test Neural Network EA untuk Forex............bulan2 tertentu sukses, bulan2 tertentu so-so...di back-test ..di-optimasi....di Curce fitting.....hehehe,,,,Artificial Intelligence masih bisa dikalahkan oleh : ""When the market is being shaken-out on bad news, he is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he is looking to sell." salam ============================================================== "There are only two main principles at work in the stock market, which will cause a market to turn. Both of these principles will arrive in varying intensities producing larger or smaller moves: 1. The `herd' will panic after observing substantial falls in a market (usually on bad news) and will usually follow its instinct to sell. As a trader who is aware of crowd psychology, you must ask yourself, "Are the trading syndicates and market-makers prepared to absorb the panic selling at these price levels?" If they are, then this is a good sign that indicates market strength. 2. After substantial rises, the `herd' will become annoyed at missing the up-move, and will rush in and buy, usually on good news. This includes traders who already have long positions, and want more. At this stage, you need to ask yourself, "Are the trading syndicates selling into the buying?" If so, then this is a severe sign of weakness. Does this mean that the dice is always loaded against you when you enter the market? Are you destinedalways to be manipulated? Well, yes and no.A professional trader isolates himself from the `herd' and becomes a predator rather than a victim. He understands and recognises the principles that drive the markets and refuses to be misled by good or bad news, tips, advice, brokers, or well-meaning friends. When the market is being shaken-out on bad news, he is in there buying. When the `herd' is buying and the news is good, he is looking to sell. Master the Markets 23 You are entering a business that has attracted some of the sharpest minds around. All you have to do is tojoin them. Trading with the `strong holders' requires a means to determine the balance of supply anddemand for an instrument, in terms of professional interest, or lack of interest, in it. If you can buy when the professionals are buying (accumulating or re-accumulating) and sell when the professionals are selling (distributing or re-distributing) and you do not try to buck the system you are following, you can be as successful as anybody else can in the market. Indeed, you stand the chance of being considerably more successful than most! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1977 - Release Date: 02/28/09 17:21:00
