Thanks for the clarification, though I certainly disagree with your conclusion.

If you have additional outstanding concerns with the HTTP Sig document, 
Annabelle and I would welcome your feedback and engagement in HTTP to ensure 
those are addressed. :)

Thanks,
 — Justin

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Dick Hardt <dick.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I meant it is not yet adopted as an RFC. 
> 
> To be clear, I think you are doing great work on the HTTP Sig doc, and a 
> number of concerns I have with HTTP signing have been addressed => I just 
> think that doing work in the OAuth WG on a moving and unproven draft in the 
> HTTP WG is not a good use of resources in the OAuth WG at this time.
> 
> 
> ᐧ
> 
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 2:20 PM Justin Richer <jric...@mit.edu 
> <mailto:jric...@mit.edu>> wrote:
> > HTTP Sig looks very promising, but it has not been adopted as a draft
> 
> Just to be clear, the HTTP Sig draft is an official adopted document of the 
> HTTP Working Group since about a year ago. I would not have suggested we 
> depend on it for a document within this WG otherwise.
> 
>  — Justin
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Dick Hardt <dick.ha...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dick.ha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not supportive of adoption of this document at this time. 
>> 
>> I am supportive of the concepts in the document. Building upon existing, 
>> widely used, proven security mechanisms gives us better security.
>> 
>> HTTP Sig looks very promising, but it has not been adopted as a draft, and 
>> as far as I know, it is not widely deployed.
>> 
>> We should wait to do work on extending HTTP Sig for OAuth until it has 
>> stabilized and proven itself in the field. We have more than enough work to 
>> do in the WG now, and having yet-another PoP mechanism is more likely to 
>> confuse the community at this time.
>> 
>> An argument to adopt the draft would be to ensure HTTP Sig can be used in 
>> OAuth.
>> Given Justin and Annabelle are also part of the OAuth community, I'm sure 
>> they will be considering how HTTP Sig can apply to OAuth, so the overlap is 
>> serving us already.
>> 
>> /Dick
>> 
>> 
>> ᐧ
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 2:04 PM Aaron Parecki <aa...@parecki.com 
>> <mailto:aa...@parecki.com>> wrote:
>> I support adoption of this document.
>> 
>> - Aaron
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 2:02 PM Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.i...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:rifaat.s.i...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> As a followup on the interim meeting today, this is a call for adoption for 
>> the OAuth Proof of Possession Tokens with HTTP Message Signature draft as a 
>> WG document:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richer-oauth-httpsig/ 
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richer-oauth-httpsig/>
>> 
>> Please, provide your feedback on the mailing list by October 20th.
>> 
>> Regards,
>>  Rifaat & Hannes
>> 
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