Why RO as an issuer is only theoretical today?
Brian Campbell <bcampb...@pingidentity.com>
2012-12-04 23:41
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Nat Sakimura <sakim...@gmail.com>
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Re: [OAUTH-WG] Assertion Framework - Why does issuer have to be either the
client or a third party token service?
The intent was definitely not to constrain who/what could be the issuer.
But also try to provide
some guidance around the common cases that are actually being deployed
now, which are the client self-issued and STS variants. Resource owner as
an issuer is an interesting case but seems mostly theoretical at this
point.
I feel like mentioning the resource owner there in §5.1 would cause more
confusion than anything else. I'd prefer to just strike the whole sentence
in question and maybe add some additional text to §3 that clarifies that
the issuer can really be any entity, if folks think a change is needed
here?
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Nat Sakimura <sakim...@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, "The issuer may be either
an OAuth client (when assertions are self-issued) or any other
entity, e.g., a third party
token service, resource owner. " is not really clean.
OAuth client is just another example of an issuer.
So, perhaps the sentence could be:
"Example of issuers include an OAuth client, resource owner, an
independent third party."
So, the clause becomes:
Issuer The unique identifier for the entity that issued the
assertion. Generally this is the entity that holds the key
material used to generate the assertion.
Example of issuers include an OAuth client, resource owner, an
independent third party.
Nat
Nat
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:40 AM, <zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn> wrote:
Chuck Mortimore <cmortim...@salesforce.com> 写于 2012-12-04 10:26:50:
> Please feel free to suggest better language.
>
> Issuer simply allows the token service to know who created the
> assertion, so it can look them up and see if they're trusted.
> Effectively the same as an Issuer in SAML.
a conflict : "The token service is the assertion issuer" in assertion
document.
while you said "token service know who created the assertion"
I wonder if the following text is acceptable:
Issuer The unique identifier for the entity that issued the
assertion. Generally this is the entity that holds the key
material used to generate the assertion. The issuer may be either
an OAuth client (when assertions are self-issued) or any other
entity, e.g., a third party
token service, resource owner.
6.3. Client Acting on Behalf of a User
The Issuer of the assertion MUST identify the entity that issued
the assertion as recognized by the Authorization Server. If the
assertion is self-issued, the Issuer SHOULD be the "client_id".
If the assertion was issued by a Security Token Service (STS), the
Issuer SHOULD identify the STS as recognized by the Authorization
Server.If the assertion was issued by the resource owner, the
Issuer SHOULD identify the resource owner as recognized by the
Authorization
Server.
>
> -cmort
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:23 PM, <zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn> wrote:
>
>
> Obviously, it is not so clear from the language there.
>
>
> Chuck Mortimore <cmortim...@salesforce.com> 写于 2012-12-04 10:17:12:
>
> > There's no reason why it can't be resource owner today.
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:06 PM, <zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn> <
zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > +1.
> > And why it was not looked at that time?
> >
> > oauth-boun...@ietf.org 写于 2012-12-04 01:30:55:
> >
> > > Actually, I think it is a good time to start looking at the resourse
> > > owner issuing assertions@ (Interestingly enough, Hui-Lan had brought
> > > this up a couple of years ago.)
> > >
> > > Igor
> > >
> > > On 12/3/2012 3:58 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
> > > I suppose, yes. I was reading it like that all the time.
> > > Whether it is or not, if it is still ok, it might be better to
> clarify it.
> > > Word like "third party" tends to be a bit of problem without
> > clearlydefining.
> > > I had similar experience in other fora.
> > >
> > > Nat
> > >
> > > Sent from iPad
> > >
> > > 2012/12/03 0:52、"zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn" <zhou.suj...@zte.com.cn>
の
> > > メッセージ:
> >
> > >
> > > could be Resource owner?
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofe...@nsn.com>
> > > 发件人: oauth-boun...@ietf.org
> > > 2012-12-03 16:49
> > >
> > > 收件人
> > >
> > > "ext Nat Sakimura" <sakim...@gmail.com>, "Brian Campbell" <
> > > bcampb...@pingidentity.com>, "oauth" <oauth@ietf.org>
> > >
> > > 抄送
> > >
> > > 主题
> > >
> > > Re: [OAUTH-WG] Assertion Framework - Why does issuer have to be
> > > either the client or a third party token service?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Nat,
> > >
> > > The current text essentially says that the assertion can either be
> > > created by the client (in which case it is self-signed) or it can be
> > > created by some other entity (which is then called the third party
> > > token service). So, this third party could be the authorization
server.
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > > Hannes
> > >
> > >
> > > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On
Behalf Of
> > > ext Nat Sakimura
> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:35 AM
> > > To: Brian Campbell; oauth
> > > Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Assertion Framework - Why does issuer have to be
> > > either the client or a third party token service?
> > >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > >
> > > The assertion framework defines the Issuer as:
> > >
> > > Issuer The unique identifier for the entity that issued the
> > > assertion. Generally this is the entity that holds the key
> > > material used to generate the assertion. The issuer may be
either
> > > an OAuth client (when assertions are self-issued) or a third
party
> > > token service.
> > >
> > > I was wondering why it has to be either the client or a third party
> > > token service.
> > > Conceptually, it could be any token service (functionality)
> > residingin any of
> > >
> > > the stakeholders (Resource Owner, OAuth Client, Authorization
Server, or
> > > a third party).
> > >
> > >
> > > I would appreciate if you could clarify why is the case.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> > > Chairman, OpenID Foundation
> > > http://nat.sakimura.org/
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