Thanks George. Just to clarify the intent of this I-D : this I-D proposes the JSON request style to be adopted as part of OAuth so that the URI request parameters could be omitted.
=nat On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:24 AM, George Fletcher <gffle...@aol.com> wrote: > The main reason to include the OAuth parameters in the request is to > ensure that the request object was not modified in transit since the JSON > request object can be signed. Agreed that it would be simpler if OAuth > adopted the JSON request style. > > Thanks, > George > > On 10/27/11 1:33 PM, tors...@lodderstedt.net wrote: > > Hi John, > > why do you need to include the OAuth request parameters into the JSON > document? I would expect OpenId Connect to extend OAuth none-intrusively. > This would mean to use the JSON document for OpenId connect specific > parameters only. Alternatively, the JSON request style could be adopted as > part of OAuth. Then, the URI request parameters could be omitted. > > regards, > Torsten. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry® Webmail von Telekom Deutschland > ------------------------------ > *From: * John Bradley <ve7...@ve7jtb.com> <ve7...@ve7jtb.com> > *Date: *Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:52:31 -0300 > *To: *Torsten Lodderstedt<tors...@lodderstedt.net><tors...@lodderstedt.net> > *Cc: *Nat Sakimura<sakim...@gmail.com> <sakim...@gmail.com>; OAuth WG > <oauth@ietf.org> <oauth@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [OAUTH-WG] Rechartering JSON based request. > > Hopefully to make it more compatible with existing OAuth 2 libraries. > At least leave open the possibility of dealing with it at a higher level. > > The argument has been made that you probably need to modify the library > anyway to check that the duplicate parameters are a match. > > If there is consensus that the parameters should only be in the JSON then > we would happily not duplicate them. > > It is mostly a case of trying to fit in to the existing OAuth work and > libraries. > > John B. > > On 2011-10-27, at 2:22 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > > why is it neccessary to duplicate the OAuth request parameters? > > Am 27.10.2011 00:31, schrieb John Bradley: > > Nat and I just refreshed the I-D for draft-sakimura-oauth-requrl. > > It is essentially a standardization of the method we are using in openID > Connect to make signed requests to the Authorization server. > > We do have the issue that parameters in the signed/encrypted request > necessarily duplicate the query parameters to keep it a valid OAuth request > plus an extension. > > Even if it doesn't wind up as a OAuth WG item it is probably worth people > looking at it before the final openID spec is voted on. > > Regards > John B. > > On 2011-10-26, at 3:16 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > > Hi Nat, > > I think your proposal would be a useful OAuth enhancement. A JSON-based > request format would allow for more complex requests (e.g. carrying resource > server URLs and corresponding scope values ;-)). > > Please note: I also think the way this mechanism is introduced and used in > the current OpenID connect spec requires OpenID connect clients and servers > to handle OAuth request parameters differently than for standard OAuth > requests. Introducing the JSON based claim request capability to OAuth would > be a way to cope with this. > > regards, > Torsten. > > Am 22.10.2011 16:00, schrieb Nat Sakimura: > > Hi. > > Just a clarification: > > Although my expired draft is 'request by reference', what was proposed > through it at the iiw really is a generalized JSON based claim request > capability. It could be passed by value as JSON or could be passed by > reference. The later is an optimization for bandwidth constrained network as > well as strengthening security in some ways. This capability already exists > in OpenID Connect but it is actually an underpinning transport, so it > probably should belong to OAuth instead. This was the primary reason for the > proposal. > > Nat > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt < > tors...@lodderstedt.net> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> my prioritization is driven by the goal to make OAuth the authorization >> framework of choice for any internet standard protocol, such as WebDAV, >> IMAP, SMTP or SIP. So let me first explain what is missing from my point of >> view and explain some thoughts how to fill the gaps. >> >> A standard protocol is defined in terms of resource types and messages by >> a body (e.g. IETF, OIDF, OMA), (hopefully) implemented in many places, and >> used by different but deployment-independent clients. OAuth-based protocol >> specifications must also define scope values (e.g. read, write, send) and >> their relation to the resource types and messages. The different deployments >> expose the standard protocol on different resource server endpoints. In my >> opinion, it is fundamental to clearly distinguish scope values >> (standardized, static) and resource server addresses (deployment specific) >> and to manage their relationships. The current scope definition is much to >> weak and insufficient. Probably, the UMA concepts of hosts, resources sets, >> and corresponding scopes could be adopted for that purpose. >> >> OAuth today requires clients to register with the service provider before >> they are deployed. Would you really expect IMAP clients, e.g. Thunderbird, >> to register with any a-Mail services upfront? So clients should be given a >> way to register dynamically to the authorization servers. This should also >> allow us to cover "client instance" aspects. It is interesting to note, that >> such a mechanism would allow us to get rid of secret-less clients and the >> one-time usage requirement for authorization codes. >> >> We also assume the client to know the URLs of the resource server and the >> corresponding authorization server and to use HTTPS server authentication to >> verify the resource server's authenticity. This is impossible in the >> standard scenario. Clients must be able to discover the authorization server >> a particular resource server relies on at runtime. The discovery mechanism >> could be specified by the OAuth WG, but could also be part of an application >> protocols specification. But we MUST find another way to prevent token >> phishing by counterfeit resource servers. >> >> As one approach, the client could pass the (previously HTTPS validated) >> resource server's URL with the authorization request. The authorization >> server should then refuse such requests for any unknown (counterfeit) >> resource servers. Such an additional parameter could also serve as namespace >> for scope values and enable service providers to run multiple instances of >> the same service within a single deployment. >> >> If the additional data enlarges the request payload to much, we could >> consider to adopt the "request by reference" proposal. >> >> Let's now assume, OAuth is successful in the world of standard protocols >> and we will see plenty of deployments with a bunch of different OAuth >> protected resource servers. Shall this servers all be accessible with a >> single token? In my opinion, this would cause security, privacy and/or >> scalability/performance problems. To give just the most obvious example, the >> target audience of such a token cannot be restricted enough, which may allow >> a resource server (or an attacker in control of it) to abuse the token on >> other servers. But the current design of the code grant type forces >> deployments to use the same token for all services. What is needed from my >> point of view is a way to request and issue multiple server-specific access >> tokens with a single authorization process. >> >> I've been advocating this topic for a long time now and I'm still >> convinced this is required to really complete the core design. We at >> Deutsche Telekom needed and implemented this function on top of the existing >> core. In my opinion, a core enhancement would be easier to handle and more >> powerful. If others support this topic, I would be willed to submit an I-D >> describing a possible solution. >> >> If we take standards really seriously, then service providers should be >> given the opportunity to implement their service by utilizing standard >> server implementations. This creates the challenge to find a standardized >> protocol between authorization server and resource server to exchange >> authorization data. Depending on the token design (self-contained vs. >> handle) this could be solved by either standardizing a token format (JWT) or >> an authorization API. >> >> Based on the rationale given above, my list is as follows (topics w/o I-D >> are marked with *): >> >> - Revocation (low hanging fruit since I-D is ready and implemented in some >> places) >> - Resource server notion* >> - Multiple access tokens* >> - Dynamic client registration >> >> 1) Dynamic Client Registration Protocol >> 4) Client Instance Extension >> - Discovery >> (10) Simple Web Discovery, probably other specs as well >> - (6) JSON Web Token >> - (7) JSON Web Token (JWT) Bearer Profile >> - 8) User Experience Extension >> - Device flow >> - 9) Request by Reference >> (depending resource server notion and multiple access tokens) >> >> regards, >> Torsten. >> Zitat von Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net>: >> >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> in preparation of the upcoming IETF meeting Barry and I would like to >>> start a re-chartering discussion. We both are currently attending the >>> Internet Identity Workshop and so we had the chance to solicit input from >>> the participants. This should serve as a discussion starter. >>> >>> Potential future OAuth charter items (in random order): >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> 1) Dynamic Client Registration Protocol >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardjono-oauth-dynreg/ >>> >>> 2) Token Revocation >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lodderstedt-oauth-revocation/ >>> >>> 3) UMA >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardjono-oauth-umacore/ >>> >>> 4) Client Instance Extension >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-richer-oauth-instance-00.txt >>> >>> 5) XML Encoding >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-richer-oauth-xml-00.txt >>> >>> 6) JSON Web Token >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-json-web-token-05 >>> >>> 7) JSON Web Token (JWT) Bearer Profile >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-oauth-jwt-bearer-00 >>> >>> 8) User Experience Extension >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-recordon-oauth-v2-ux-00 >>> >>> 9) Request by Reference >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sakimura-oauth-requrl-00 >>> >>> 10) Simple Web Discovery >>> >>> Available document: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-simple-web-discovery-00 >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> We have the following questions: >>> >>> a) Are you interested in any of the above-listed items? (as a reviewer, >>> co-author, implementer, or someone who would like to deploy). It is also >>> useful to know if you think that we shouldn't work on a specific item. >>> >>> b) Are there other items you would like to see the group working on? >>> >>> Note: In case your document is expired please re-submit it. >>> >>> Ciao >>> Hannes & Barry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> > > > > -- > Nat Sakimura (=nat) > Chairman, OpenID Foundation > http://nat.sakimura.org/ > @_nat_en > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing listOAuth@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) Chairman, OpenID Foundation http://nat.sakimura.org/ @_nat_en
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