On Apr 2, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Phillip Hunt wrote:

> If we take the current implementers as evidence it shows we have little or no 
> security either due to misunderstandings or business decisions to accept risk 
> for flexibility. 
> 

This type of language is also not helpful for moving us forward. I'd like to 
see the discussion focused on the development of a useful specification that 
also meets the challenge of being open (working with many different use cases 
and contributors) as opposed to subjectively evaluating the polices or relative 
qualities of individual companies. This is the reason we are working together 
in an open community to collaborate, rather than each company developing their 
own proprietary solution.

I'm actually quite proud that nearly since our inception Kiva has always 
protected every bit of consumer-private data via HTTPS, including pages with 
private data and connections bearing secure session cookies. However, the 
default security we've put in place for every user may be more security than 
they care about. Opening this data via API allows new uses of the data outside 
the current constraints of the core product. As an example, every user's 
lending profile is currently private and secured over HTTPS.  If a third party 
app wants to allow users to share their complete lending profiles to the public 
internet (or to one's friends on a social network running over HTTP only), such 
an API can allow that. If OAuth can't serve as the permissions mechanism to 
enable such sharing or flexibility of data it would be a shame. It's really 
outside the scope of this spec to police the policies of developer programs or 
their effectiveness in communicating to their users the risks or na
 ture of the apps in their ecosystems.

I hope we can return to a productive discussion in striking a balance between a 
flexible and effective specification. I think most of us understand the risks 
of the MITM attacks being described, yet sensational language and judgements 
are being tossed about - and for what purpose I don't understand.
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