Am I the only one still supporting SHOULD on this case? If someone else 
supports this language, please speak up. Otherwise, it seems the group SHOULD 
move forward with MUST.

As a provider, we (Kiva) must deal with the possibility of an ecosystem of 
developer apps which can't feasibly serve HTTPS endpoints.  However, we're 
perfectly capable of securing credential exchange and our ecosystem with our 
own API/Network additions without holding up the working group on this point.  
Alternatively, if others are interested in supporting developers who can't or 
won't establish HTTPS endpoints, I'm happy to continue the discussion to work 
toward a solution (in this working group or side thread).



On Apr 1, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:

> Unfortunately neither solution suggested so far is acceptable. So a vote from 
> my perspective is premature.
> 
> I'd like to keep working for a new solution.
> 
> Phil
> phil.h...@oracle.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2011-04-01, at 10:51 AM, Oleg Gryb wrote:
> 
>> It's a very interesting discussion and I think, I understand both parties 
>> well because consider myself belonging to both communities (enterprise and 
>> networking). Still, I would vote in favor of MUST.
>> 
>> Considering the big size of this mailing list and the big level of 
>> engagement of its members, why don't we vote?
>> 
>> The results of the vote should be taken into consideration by those who 
>> writes the final version.
>> 
>> From: Francisco Corella <fcore...@pomcor.com>
>> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav <e...@hueniverse.com>; Mark Mcgloin 
>> <mark.mcgl...@ie.ibm.com>
>> Cc: OAuth WG <oauth@ietf.org>; oauth-boun...@ietf.org
>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:22:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Authorization code security issue (reframed)
>> 
>> > So we have 2 different communities of Oauth developers that
>> > will never agree.
>> > 
>> > SHOULD: Typically the social networking sites that need to
>> > cater for tail end developers by not enforcing TLS on
>> > redirect_uri. It is a risk to think that using strong
>> > language in the spec will help them appreciate the issues
>> > MUST: Typically enterprise organisations (I am in this
>> > camp). They can enforce indirectly by only supporting
>> > registered callback urls and ensure those use TLS
>> 
>> Security is at least as necessary to social networking sites
>> as to enterprise sites.  Think about what this means for
>> Facebook.  If you are using Wifi in a cafe and use the
>> Facebook login button to log in to any application, a hacker
>> can easily impersonate you.
>> 
>> By the way, is somebody from Facebook reading this?  If so,
>> this is a vulnerability that Facebook has right now, and you
>> should do something about it.  At the very least you should
>> change the examples of redirect URIs in the developer
>> documentation so that they use https rather than http.
>> 
>> Francisco
>> 
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