Now by Unisphere & museum. Moving fast. Donna Schulman
Sent from my wonder device > On Dec 22, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Steven Schellenger <[email protected]> wrote: > > The sparrow is being seen ties. Am by unisphere > >> On Dec 22, 2015 7:30 AM, "Andrew Baksh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't know if the photos are publicly accessible but Cesar the finder sent >> Corey photos that he took and they were posted in NY FB group. Those photos >> looked more like a Clay-colored Sparrow. Keep in mind as we discuss this >> bird that the light conditions yesterday at Flushing Meadows was overcast >> for much of the day which could play a role in how the plumage looked in >> photos taken yesterday vs the day it was found. >> >>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Shaibal Mitra <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> To clarify one point that has been raised, Clay-colored Sparrow is also >>> very long-tailed, like Brewer's. This distinction vs. Chipping >>> (shorter-tailed) is sometimes evident in the field. >>> >>> Shai Mitra >>> Bay Shore >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: [email protected] >>> [[email protected]] on behalf of Steve Walter >>> [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:41 PM >>> To: 'NY Birds' >>> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow >>> >>> I had the opportunity to photograph a few Brewer’s in Arizona in September >>> 2012. I say Brewer’s because they are expected there – vastly outnumbering >>> Clay-colored. But matching up some of the pictures to field guides was more >>> difficult than you would think, especially with few actual photographs to >>> compare to. I have a few of my pictures available online still, if anyone >>> wants to compare. In one of them, the tail appears especially long. Also of >>> note is that the crown streaking looks finer to me than on the Queens bird. >>> Of course, age and time of year have to be taken into account. >>> >>> The address is http://stevewalternature.com/steve/sparrows.htm . The >>> pictures to look at are labeled Las Cienagas 07, 08, and 09. >>> >>> >>> Steve Walter >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David >>> Klauber >>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:36 PM >>> To: NY Birds <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow >>> >>> I've done a bit of research on this and I think identification to species >>> is inconclusive, as there seem to be characteristics that favor both >>> Clay-colored and Brewer's. There is more confusion because I think the side >>> of the face that shows a black semi-circle might be feather bases caused by >>> the wind or ruffled feathers, since neither species shows this. Like almost >>> everyone else I don't have extensive experience with either species, >>> especially Brewer's, but here's what I've found from checking the Nat Geo, >>> Sibley, Stokes photo guide, and Rising & Beadle's sparrow guide. >>> >>> There seems to be weak streaking on the gray nape, which I think should be >>> stronger for Brewer's, but shouldn't be there for Clay-colored. The >>> eye-ring seems a bit weak for Brewer's as well - could it be worn? The >>> black streaks on the back are listed as good for Brewer's by Rising, etc, >>> but Sibley paints Clay-colors with a similar pattern. Deborah Allen >>> mentioned the tail looking short for Brewer's, and most books show Brewer's >>> with a long tail. The overall color looks more like the grayish-brown of >>> Brewer's. The face pattern doesn't look strong enough for Clay-color, but >>> doesn't really match Brewer's either. >>> >>> The Stokes guide has a photo on page 666, bottom left, which comes pretty >>> close to the Queens bird, but not quite. There is supposed to be a >>> difference in the cheek color, but the previously mentioned black >>> semicircle obscures this, although I think it's more gray (Brewer's) than >>> buff (Clay-color). I don't know what to make of the faint blurry streaks on >>> the side of the breast, but it does match the same Stokes photo. The pink >>> bill is black on top, also good for Brewer's. >>> >>> So to my eyes a real head-scratcher. Hybrid seems the easy way out, but I >>> don't know much about worn or transitional plumages for either. >>> In any event a very interesting bird, even if it's a dull LBJ. >>> -- >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and >>> Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> Archives: >>> The Mail >>> Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >>> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! >>> -- >>> -- >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and >>> Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> Archives: >>> The Mail >>> Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >>> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! >>> -- >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Support CSI students this holiday season each time you shop with Amazon >>> Smile<https://smile.amazon.com/ch/13-3683723> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> >>> ARCHIVES: >>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html >>> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> >>> -- >> >> >> >> -- >> 風 Swift as the wind >> 林 Quiet as the forest >> 火 Conquer like the fire >> 山 Steady as the mountain >> Sun Tzu The Art of War >> >>> (\__/) >>> (= '.'=) >>> (") _ (") >> >> Andrew Baksh >> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com >> -- >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> Archives: >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> BirdingOnThe.Net >> Please submit your observations to eBird! >> -- > > -- > NYSbirds-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
