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Donna Schulman

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> On Dec 22, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Steven Schellenger <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The sparrow is being seen ties. Am by unisphere
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2015 7:30 AM, "Andrew Baksh" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I don't know if the photos are publicly accessible but Cesar the finder sent 
>> Corey photos that he took and they were posted in NY FB group. Those photos 
>> looked more like a Clay-colored Sparrow. Keep in mind as we discuss this 
>> bird that the light conditions yesterday at Flushing Meadows was overcast 
>> for much of the day which could play a role in how the plumage looked in 
>> photos taken yesterday vs the day it was found.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Shaibal Mitra <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> To clarify one point that has been raised, Clay-colored Sparrow is also 
>>> very long-tailed, like Brewer's. This distinction vs. Chipping 
>>> (shorter-tailed) is sometimes evident in the field.
>>> 
>>> Shai Mitra
>>> Bay Shore
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>>> From: [email protected] 
>>> [[email protected]] on behalf of Steve Walter 
>>> [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'NY Birds'
>>> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow
>>> 
>>> I had the opportunity to photograph a few Brewer’s in Arizona in September 
>>> 2012. I say Brewer’s because they are expected there – vastly outnumbering 
>>> Clay-colored. But matching up some of the pictures to field guides was more 
>>> difficult than you would think, especially with few actual photographs to 
>>> compare to.  I have a few of my pictures available online still, if anyone 
>>> wants to compare. In one of them, the tail appears especially long. Also of 
>>> note is that the crown streaking looks finer to me than on the Queens bird. 
>>> Of course, age and time of year have to be taken into account.
>>> 
>>> The address is http://stevewalternature.com/steve/sparrows.htm . The 
>>> pictures to look at are labeled Las Cienagas 07, 08, and 09.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Walter
>>> 
>>> From: [email protected] 
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Klauber
>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:36 PM
>>> To: NY Birds <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Queens spizella sparrow
>>> 
>>>  I've done a bit of research on this and I think identification to species 
>>> is inconclusive, as there seem to be characteristics that favor  both 
>>> Clay-colored and Brewer's. There is more confusion because I think the side 
>>> of the face that shows a black semi-circle might be feather bases caused by 
>>> the wind or ruffled feathers, since neither species shows this. Like almost 
>>> everyone else I don't have extensive experience with either species, 
>>> especially Brewer's, but here's what I've found from checking the Nat Geo, 
>>> Sibley, Stokes photo guide, and Rising & Beadle's sparrow guide.
>>> 
>>> There seems to be weak streaking on the gray nape, which I think should be 
>>> stronger for Brewer's, but shouldn't be there for Clay-colored. The 
>>> eye-ring seems a bit weak for Brewer's as well - could it be worn? The 
>>> black streaks on the back are listed as good for Brewer's by Rising, etc, 
>>> but Sibley paints Clay-colors with a similar pattern. Deborah Allen 
>>> mentioned the tail looking short for Brewer's, and most books show Brewer's 
>>> with a long tail. The overall color looks more like the grayish-brown of 
>>> Brewer's. The face pattern doesn't look strong enough for Clay-color, but 
>>> doesn't really match Brewer's either.
>>> 
>>> The Stokes guide has a photo on page 666, bottom left, which comes pretty 
>>> close to the Queens bird, but not quite. There is supposed to be a 
>>> difference in the cheek color, but the previously mentioned black 
>>> semicircle obscures this, although I think it's more gray (Brewer's) than 
>>> buff (Clay-color). I don't know what to make of the faint blurry streaks on 
>>> the side of the breast, but it does match the same Stokes photo. The pink 
>>> bill is black on top, also good for Brewer's.
>>> 
>>> So to my eyes a real head-scratcher. Hybrid seems the easy way out, but I 
>>> don't know much about worn or transitional plumages for either.
>>> In any event a very interesting bird, even if it's a dull LBJ.
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