Just to add some other images, here are some photos of Loggerhead Shrike
photo showing vermiculations

http://www.beachhunter.net/blog/2008/04/wherefore-art-thou-loggerhead.html

http://sdakotabirds.com/species/loggerhead_shrike_info.htm


And here is Kevin McGowan's pretty excellent review of the two species using
specimens.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/loggerhd.htm

Hugh

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Shaibal Mitra <[email protected]>wrote:

> I forgot to include links to photos.
>
> Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for
> comparison:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#
>
> Here are some from John Gluth:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/
>
> ________________________________________
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:16 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS ([email protected])
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike
>
> A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been
> identified by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of
> back-channel discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a
> Loggerhead.
>
> When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of
> the debates surrounding its identity, so I made an effort to evaluate  the
> various characters that have been proposed in support of each species. As
> might be suspected multiple features have been proposed to support each
> view, so the question is how to evaluate the relative reliability of each
> character.
>
> To me, the bird appeared relatively small and quick (vs. the large and
> lanky impression usually imparted by Northern Shrike), with a relatively
> large head, rounded crown, and short bill--all consistent with Loggerhead
> Shrike. Also consistent with Loggerhead Shrike was the relatively dark gray
> tone to its back.
>
> Features more consistent with Northern Shrike include: extensively pale
> base to lower mandible, heavily hooked upper mandible, the shape of the
> black mask behind the eye, obvious gray barring on the breast in the absence
> of any barring on the back.
>
> The appearance of this bird's mask in the area of the eye itself and in
> front of the eye seems equivocal and has been argued in both directions, but
> I find it easier to find photos of Loggerheads that match its facial
> appearance than photos of Northerns that do so.
>
> Taking these features individually, I think that individual variation could
> account for many discrepancies either way. For instance, it seems plausible
> that some Northern Shrikes could have small bills and that some Loggerheads
> could have heavily hooked bills, etc.
>
> To me, the difficult questions are:
>
> 1. Could a Northern Shrike could look so small, quick, and large-headed?
>
> 2. Could an immature Loggerhead Shrike show a pale-based mandible and
> ventral barring in the absence of dorsal barring?
>
> 3. Is this bird's mask pattern possibly diagnostic, despite the conflicting
> impressions of local observers?
>
> Any constructive answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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