> Dino, 
> 
> Are you talking about one TS connected to two different NVEs?

No, I was talking about any NVE talking to any other NVE, regardless of the 
number of TSes attached to it.

> Then, there are much other issues, such as will you allow multiple uplinks to 
> NVEs being active, do traffic between "a" to "b" have to be symmetric? Etc.   
> many of them being discussed in TRILL. 

;-)

Dino

> 
> 
> Linda
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>> Dino Farinacci
>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:40 PM
>> To: Thomas Narten
>> Cc: [email protected]; Lucy yong; Yves Hertoghs (yhertogh)
>> Subject: Re: [nvo3] No need for NVE-NVE control plane [was Re: Poll for
>> WG adoption and IPR check for draft-narten-nvo3-arch-01.txt
>> 
>>> NVO3 does not need an NVE to NVE control protocol.
>> 
>> How about so an NVE knows a path to another NVE is up? Because if it is
>> not, it could choose another NVE that supports the end-host.
>> 
>>> Calling this out explicitly, as it is consistent with the current
>>> architecture document. There is no need for an NVE to NVE control
>>> protocol, for the purpose of maintaining/populating the mapping
>>> tables. There may well be interactions between NVEs, such as setting
>>> up tunnels, creating security associations for protecting data plane
>>> traffic, or providing error indications (e.g., equivalent of ICMP "TS
>>> unreachable" responses).
>> 
>> Then don't worry about naming semantics. Let's just agree that NVEs
>> need to talk to each other, other than just encapsulating to each other.
>> 
>>> If folk disagree, now would be a good time to have that conversation.
>> 
>> I know you may not be suggesting using ICMP unreachables or the
>> equivalent, but remember they just tell you when something "goes
>> unreachable". They don't tell you when something has become reachable
>> (not just become reachable but in a timely fashion), so you'll need
>> some NVE-to-NVE interaction.
>> 
>> Dino
>> 
>>> 
>>> "Yves Hertoghs (yhertogh)" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> 
>>>>>> I disagree with the need for an NVE to NVE control plane.
>>>> 
>>>>> [Lucy] do you think we need NVE-NVE control plane? I don't think
>>>>> this is what you mean from the following statement.
>>>> 
>>>> No we dont need an NVE to NVE control plane.
>>>> 
>>>>>> That doesn't mean that you can't colocate a portion of the
>>>>>> distributed NVA with every NVE, which is the model that
>>>>>> e.g. BGP/L3VPN or ISIS/TRILL uses.
>>>> 
>>>>> [Lucy] Agreed. NVA can collocate w/ NVE. (partially or entire).
>>>> 
>>>> And as a result there is only a need for a control plane between the
>>>> NVE function and the NVA function.
>>> 
>>> Thomas
>>> 
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