I think everyone here understood you very well, a lot of us have just been there and done that, in different languages, and seen the negative consequences of it. And there are a lot of great modules out there that are perfectly maintained and can be easily combined to achieve what you want to achieve. Express, Mongoose, Passport, Request and many others come to mind. The real problem is discovery, buy we don't bitch about it because it is our job to fix it if it annoys us. Node, imho, follows Nike's claim: "Just do it". If you feel the need for boilerplate code then write it or hire someone to do it. BTW, there are a couple attempts to do so out there, so you could contribute to those projects.
@Mark excellent comments as always. If you ever come to LA chat me up and I'll invite you to a beer (or more :-)). On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 1:36 PM, panyasan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ben, hi everybody, > > while I appreciate all the answers including the critical ones, I think > only Ben really understood what I was aiming at. Probably the term > "application server" was not appropriate. I didn't ask for a big monolithic > system. My claim was that web applications have a certain set of features > in common (some of which are in the list in my post), which are really > generic ("the boilerplate"). It makes absolutely no sense to implement them > again and again, maintain them, write tests, etc. when they could really be > bundled together and maintained by a community of people who need this > functionality. If you're a professional, full-time developer, you're > probably best of with creating this kind of stuff yourself. But my argument > was that a lot of potential is lost because of the fragmentation ("the > freedom to choose") in the node module ecosystem. Discovering modules is > not the problem in my opinion - maintaining them in a longer-term > perspective is.... > > > > > Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012 20:30:16 UTC+1 schrieb Ben Noordhuis: > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Mark Hahn <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I'm sure many would appreciate such a comprehensive large framework. >> > I and many others in the node community would not. >> > >> > One characteristic of the node "philosophy" is freedom. The freedom >> > to plug existing small modules together like a lego set. The freedom >> > to easily write our own modules. The freedom to swap out modules for >> > others as better ones come along. The freedom to make our >> > architecture unique while not writing code from scratch or even using >> > boilerplate. >> > >> > If I had to live within the constraints of J2EE or ROR or even >> > Express, I would find another job. My architecture migrates quickly >> > from project to project with each one more awesome than the last. Any >> > existing framework would be outdated within a year as far as I am >> > concerned. >> > >> > It is a new world.. >> >> A node.js "application server" is something Bert Belder and I have >> been discussing. >> >> The proliferation (and wildly varying quality) of modules and >> frameworks seems to be holding back node.js to some degree. I talk to >> a lot of developers and it's one of the most common complaints: >> "There's too much choice, we don't know what to use." >> >> The idea is to have a curated list of modules with appropriate >> stability and support guarantees. If you find a bug, we'll make sure >> it gets fixed in a timely manner; you won't be at the mercy of the >> module author. >> >> That gives the developer a stable, known-good base to start out with >> while preserving the freedom to use whatever he wants. It should also >> take away the cold feet that some businesses have. >> > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en
