Am Sonntag 13 November 2005 16:09 schrieb jamal:

> I think the discussions have been valuable despite the time they took.
> This is just to bring us back to not go on a tangent and hopefully close
> this sooner.

thanks for taking the time to moderate this.

> We have agreed to implement based on 2863.

not really. We already have two different opinions here:

a) Support RFC2863 in kernel. Propenents Stefan and Jamal (it seems)

b) Add another state bit that maps to IFF_ESTABLISHED or IFF_DORMANT. A 
RFC2863-like state may be derived from these bits. Proponents Krzysztof and 
Thomas.

As I'm part of the discussion, I think I should not outline both sides' 
arguments here. Let's call that issue #0.

For both proposals, we have ideas on how to implement userspace supplicant 
interactions.

Inactivating routes came up as an example for the usage of L3*-states, and 
managed to distract us from the operstate discussion.

> My suggestion to move forward is:
> i) Lets just stick to existing states in the RFC and no innovation of
> any sort.

Ok.

> ii) Defer the discussion to what is done to L3 next.

Definitely.

> I think this is resolvable once we agree on recommendation for #1 above.
> The main contention at the moment is between Thomas and Stefan - each
> has a different approach and we want one patch not 10.

This is easily resolvable because a decision on #0 will simply force the 
associated userspace interaction solution in place. We just should not forget 
to get an ACK from Jouni, as he will be the main user.

Stefan
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