I used to have a boss that was convinced that MCafee was writing viruses to stay in business.... Regards,
Dovid -----Original Message----- From: Phil Rosenthal <p...@isprime.com> Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-boun...@nanog.org>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:17:53 To: jim deleskie<deles...@gmail.com> Cc: NANOG list<nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: cloudflare hosting a ddos service? Plus, it’s good for business! -Phil > On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:14 PM, jim deleskie <deles...@gmail.com> wrote: > > sigh... > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patr...@ianai.net> > wrote: > >> CloudFlare will claim they are not hosting the problem. They are just >> hosting the web page that lets you pay for or points at or otherwise >> directs you to the problem. >> >> The actual source of packets is some other IP address. Therefore, they can >> keep hosting the web page. It is not sending the actual >> [spam|DDoS|hack|etc.], right? So stop asking them to do something about it! >> >> Whether you think that is the proper way to provide service on the >> Internet is left as an exercise to the reader. >> >> -- >> TTFN, >> patrick >> >>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Mike <mike-na...@tiedyenetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> So vbooter.org's dns and web is hosted by cloudflare? >>> >>> "Using vBooter you can take down home internet connections, websites and >> game servers such us Minecraft, XBOX Live, PSN and many more." >>> >>> dig -t ns vbooter.org >>> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t ns vbooter.org >>> ;; global options: +cmd >>> ;; Got answer: >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62177 >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 >>> >>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: >>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >>> ;vbooter.org. IN NS >>> >>> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >>> vbooter.org. 21599 IN NS rick.ns.cloudflare.com. >>> vbooter.org. 21599 IN NS amy.ns.cloudflare.com. >>> >>> dig -t a www.vbooter.org >>> >>> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t a www.vbooter.org >>> ;; global options: +cmd >>> ;; Got answer: >>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34920 >>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 >>> >>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: >>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 >>> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >>> ;www.vbooter.org. IN A >>> >>> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >>> www.vbooter.org. 299 IN CNAME vbooter.org. >>> vbooter.org. 299 IN A 104.28.13.7 >>> vbooter.org. 299 IN A 104.28.12.7 >>> >>> >>> Can anyone from cloudflare answer me why this fits with your business >> model? >>> >>> Mike- >> >>
