Why do we believe network administrators can advocate perfectly for customer access? I couldn't control my own children's access without making us all miserable.
Nation state access control in a free country at the network layer is bound to fail, way too many cats to herd. On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:31 PM, <b...@theworld.com> wrote: > > On January 18, 2016 at 00:21 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu ( > valdis.kletni...@vt.edu) wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:39:52 -0500, b...@theworld.com said: > > > How about if backed by an agreement with the 5 RIRs stating no new > > > resource allocations or transfers etc unless a contract is signed and > > > enforced? Or similar. > > > > Then they'd just resort to hijacking address space. > > > > Oh wait, they already do that and get away with it.... > > I think we're talking about two different problems, both valid. > > One is legitimate operators who probably mostly want to do the right > thing but are negligent, disagree (perhaps with many one this list) on > what is an actionable problem, etc. > > The other are those actors prone to criminality. > > I was addressing the first problem though I'd assert that progress on > the first problem would likely yield progress on the second, or > cooperation anyhow. > > > > > (And a threat of withholding IP address space from long-haul providers > isn't as > > credible - they have much less need for publicly routed IP addresses > than > > either eyeball farms or content farms, so you'll have to find some > other way to > > motivate them to not accept a hijacked route announcement...) > > > > No man is an island entire of himself -- John Donne. > > First one has to agree to the concept of creating a network based on > contractual agreements. > > I gave some examples of how to encourage actors to enter into those > contracts, my list wasn't intended to be exhaustive, it was intended > to be an existence proof, some pressure points exist and are easy to > understand even if not complete. > > Besides, why make the perfect the enemy of the good? If many, perhaps > not all (or not at first), agreed to a common set of contractual > obligations that would be progress, no? > > Is there even a document which describes what a "hijacked" net block > is and why it is bad? Obvious? No, it is not obvious. The best one can > say is there exist obvious cases. > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | b...@theworld.com | > http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* > -- Michael O'Connor ESnet Network Engineering m...@es.net 631 344-7410
