Of course the access isn't direct -- there is a firewall and a router in between. The access is indirect.
--- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason L. Sparks [mailto:jlspa...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2013 04:24 > To: ku po > Cc: NANOG > Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project > > To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting > the USG "access directly to their servers." It's understandable and > appropriate that the providers pushed back against that apparently > erroneous reporting. > > Jason > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po <cciehe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all > > the data? > > They DON'T need to build expensive systems. > > They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information, > > these information are available for them and fast enough. > > So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means > > nothing!!! > > The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for > > information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you > all > > the evidence when it is security related??), which you can't deny their > > access. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison > <ja...@talkunafraid.co.uk>wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw <j...@arpa.com> wrote: > >>>> Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting > >>>> vampired. > >>> > >>> Why wait? > >>> > >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0 > >>> > >>> -Bill > >> > >> In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this > >> morning: > >> > >> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server- > collection-facebook-google > >> > >> Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and > >> infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying > >> company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else. > >> > >> They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy > >> name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant. > >> > >> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant- > global-datamining > >> > >> Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where > >> this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern > >> questions by the government about their involvement and if they've > >> been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed > >> to collect it themselves). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> James Harrison > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAlGzyl4ACgkQ22kkGnnJQAwVfQCePSYz9p5P95bnWYbp4YA2SeQD > >> HeQAn0AOnReV6DQC0Y3k5P046BbFnBUJ > >> =auDI > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >>
