They throw complaints from Resale CLECs in the trash.  I'm starting to think we 
should convert the line to VZ Direct, then have the customer file PUC 
complaints, then convert it back when the issue is really resolved.   I suspect 
that is illegal though and we are not going to do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: sme...@gmail.com [mailto:sme...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Steve Meuse
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:31 PM
To: Eric Wieling
Cc: William Herrin; Wayne E Bouchard; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon's New Repair Method: Plastic Garbage Bags


Contact your Public Utility Commission, they tend to respond better when there 
are formal complaints documented. 

-Steve


On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Eric Wieling <ewiel...@nyigc.com> wrote:


        The garbage bags have been on that pole for at least 6+ months.
        
        What will end up happening is what happens every time something like 
this happens.  We call in trouble tickets for months until we can get the issue 
labeled chronic, then we get a "Class 1 inspection", then they fix it.   One 
issue is that to get it labeled chronic there needs to be three tickets opened 
within a month.  VZ's temp fix often works long enough that we can't get enough 
tickets in within a month.
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:58 AM
        To: Wayne E Bouchard
        Cc: nanog@nanog.org
        Subject: Re: Verizon's New Repair Method: Plastic Garbage Bags
        
        On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Wayne E Bouchard <w...@typo.org> wrote:
        >> > On 08/20/2012 03:09 PM, Eric Wieling wrote:
        >> >> http://rock.nyigc.net/verizon/
        
        > To be fair, this sort of thing does happen from time to time in
        > perfectly legitimate situations. In some cases, parts need to be
        > acquired or maintenance schedules need to be arranged in order to do a
        > propper repair. So just because you see these, don't immediately think
        > it is bad techs rather than a temporary, "keep it working until you
        > can do it right."
        
        Uh... no. Quick hacks happen from time to time to keep things running.
        Layers upon layers of quick hacks that are never cleaned up (see
        picture) happen through incompetence. If not on the part of the techs 
then on the part of the managers who rushed the techs onward to the next task.
        
        Always time to do it over, never time to do it right == incompetent.
        
        Regards,
        Bill Herrin
        
        
        
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