Actual public financed non-muni fiber is skipping the easy parts and deploying 
only a few of the hard parts.
(current actual results of USF)

How is that an improvement?

Owen

On Mar 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:

> Well, for my part, /most of the poiny/ of muni is The Public Good; if 
> /actual/ bond financed muni fiber is skipping the Hard Parts, it deserves to 
> lose.
> 
> Time to assemble some stats, I guess.
> -- jra
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:
> Who cares?
> 
> It's time to stop letting rural deployments stand in the way of municipal 
> deployments.
> 
> It's a natural part of living outside of a population center that it costs 
> more to bring utility services to you. I'm not entirely opposed (though 
> somewhat) to subsidizing that to some extent, but, I'm tired of municipal 
> deployments being blocked by this sense of equal entitlement to rural.
> 
> The rural builds cost more, take longer, and yield lower revenues. It makes 
> no sense to let that stand in the way of building out municipalities. Nothing 
> prevents rural residents who have the means and really want their buildout 
> prioritized from building a collective to get it done.
> 
> Subsidizing rural build-out is one thing. Failing to build out municipalities 
> because of some sense of rural entitlement? That's just stupid.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPa
>  d
> 
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Frank Bulk" <frnk...@iname.com> wrote:
> 
> > How many munis serve the rural like they do the urban?
> > 
> > In the vast majority of cases the munis end up doing what ILECs only wish 
> > they could do -- serve the most profitable customers.
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:52 PM
> > To: NANOG
> > Subject: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc)
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > Oh, it's *much* worse than that, John.
> > 
> > The *right*, long term solution to all of these problems is for 
> > municipalities to do the fiber build, properly engineered, and even 
> > subbed out to a contractor to build and possibly operate... 
> > 
> > offering *only* layer 1 service at wholesale.  Any comer
>   can
> light up
> > each city's pop, and offer retail service over the FTTH fiber to that 
> > customer at whatever rate they like, and the city itself doesn't offer 
> > layer 2 or 3 service at all.
> > 
> > High-speed optical data *is* the next natural monopoly, after power 
> > and water/sewer delivery, and it's time to just get over it and do it
> > right.
> > 
> > As you might imagine, this environment -- one where the LEC doesn't own
> > the physical plant -- scares the ever-lovin' daylights out of Verizon
> > (among others), so much so that they *have gotten it made illegal* in 
> > several states, and they're lobbying to expand that footprint.
> > 
> > See, among other sites: http://www.muninetworks.org/
> > 
> > As you might imagine, I am a fairly strong proponent of muni layer 1 --
> > or even layer 2, where the municipality suppli
>  es
> (matching) ONTs, and
> > services have to fit over GigE -- fiber delivery of high-speed data
> > service.
> > 
> > I believe Google agrees with me.  :-)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> > -- 
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