On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can > boil this down to a couple of issues: > > 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base? > Yes, but, there should be an exemption from liability for ISPs that take action to resolve the situation within 24 hours of first awareness (by either internal detection or external report).
> 1a. If so, how? > Unless exempt as I suggested above, they should be financially liable for the cleanup costs and damages to all affected systems. They should be entitled to recover these costs from the responsible customer through a process like subrogation. > 2. Should hosting providers also be held responsible for customers who > abuse their services in a criminal manner? > Absolutely, with the same exemptions specified above. > 2.a If so, how? > See my answer to 1a above. > I think anyone in their right mind would agree that if a provider see > criminal activity, they should take action, no? > Yes. > If that also holds true, then why doesn't it happen? > Because we don't inflict any form of liability or penalty when they fail to do so. Owen