On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:

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> To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can
> boil this down to a couple of issues:
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> 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base?
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        Yes, but, there should be an exemption from liability for ISPs that take
        action to resolve the situation within 24 hours of first awareness (by
        either internal detection or external report).

> 1a. If so, how?
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        Unless exempt as I suggested above, they should be financially liable
        for the cleanup costs and damages to all affected systems.

        They should be entitled to recover these costs from the responsible
        customer through a process like subrogation.

> 2. Should hosting providers also be held responsible for customers who
> abuse their services in a criminal manner?
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        Absolutely, with the same exemptions specified above.

> 2.a If so, how?
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        See my answer to 1a above.

> I think anyone in their right mind would agree that if a provider see
> criminal activity, they should take action, no?
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Yes.

> If that also holds true, then why doesn't it happen?
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Because we don't inflict any form of liability or penalty when they fail to do 
so.

Owen


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