John,

On May 17, 2024, at 6:53 PM, John R. Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
> ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator maintains the database of TLD info.

Sort of.

> They provide this to Verisign, the Root Zone Maintainer, who create the
> root zone and distribute it to the root server operators.  

Technically, IANA provides database change requests to Verisign. The actual 
database is maintained by the Root Zone Maintainer (hence the name).

> Verisign does
> this under a contract with NTIA, one of the few bits of the Internet that
> is still under a US government contract:
> 
> https://www.ntia.gov/page/verisign-cooperative-agreement

Err, no.  You forgot the little bit about the IANA Functions transition.  
Specifically:

https://www.icann.org/en/stewardship-implementation/root-zone-maintainer-agreement-rzma

> Should ICANN attempt to mess with the distribution of the root zone, let
> us just say that the results would not be pretty.  There's a balance of
> terror here.  ICANN carefully never does anything that would make the root
> server operators say no, and the root server operators carefully avoid
> putting ICANN in a position where they might have to do that.

When you say “ICANN” who, exactly, do you mean?  ICANN the organization or 
ICANN the community?  If the former, ICANN Org can’t do anything outside of 
ICANN community defined policy or process or risk all sorts of unpleasantness 
from internal policies to lawsuits to the ICANN Board being spilled.  If you 
mean the latter, ICANN org must abide by the ICANN community’s demands or you 
get to the same point as previously mentioned.  That’s the whole point behind 
the “Empowered Community."

> I'm not guessing here, I go to ICANN meetings and talk to these people.

And I was one of the ICANN people involved in the negotiations with Verisign on 
the RZMA.

Regards,
-drc


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