I had that too. The map showed a facility was online. It wasn't. Lots of build 
to get there. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tom Beecher" <beec...@beecher.cc> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:01:33 PM 
Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps 




If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get 
the sale. 




My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors 
don't actually know where they are. :) 


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:18 PM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 

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Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously 
offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted 
publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes? 


Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful 
maps. 


The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. 
Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away. 


I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me 
trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until 
I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you 
are, you just plain won't get the sale. 




----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

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