yea whatever..
its upto mike leber and dave schaeffer to decide. they can either
accept or reject the solution
I have been always believing content creator/provider should pay
expenses (at least excess traffic).
because they put their server in some datacenter and reach all of the
internet.. their backbone expenses are less..
i can understand that todays datacenters including he.net are interested
to participate in 200-300 IXPs.
well that acceptable. it should be considered too
so i would offer both companies 3 cent per mbps for excess traffic.
ok bye
21.08.2022 03:25 tarihinde Forrest Christian (List Account) yazdı:
But that traffic was likely requested by and for the benefit of the
person the traffic is being sent to.
I've always found the argument that the quantity of traffic is the
indicator of who should pay to be questionable.
If I'm an end user on an eyeball user and request a big download or
streaming from a provider, isn't it me that caused that traffic to
flow? One could argue that I am the one that needs to pay.
On the other hand, one could argue that it's the provider of the
content that I requested that needs to pay, since it's their content
which is being distributed.
When you get to peering between two providers it's almost impossible
to decide who needs to pay. As I mentioned above, passing that
traffic is actually to the benefit of both providers.
About the only settlement I could see is where one of the providers is
bearing most of the transport costs. For example a regional provider
only peering at one exchange point might expect some settlement costs
with a big international provider that is effectively carrying their
traffic both directions around the globe. But the quantity of that
type of traffic is likely minimal in the grand scheme of things.
Even then one might argue that connectivity to the small provider is
still valuable to the customers of the large provider.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 9:32 AM VOLKAN KIRIK <[email protected]> wrote:
the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.
as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.
what do you think?
19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett yazdı:
The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn as
to who pays?
The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?
The network with more POPs gets paid?
The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?
Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?
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*From: *"VOLKAN KIRIK" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *"Rubens Kuhl" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Cc: *[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
*Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: cogent and henet not peering
this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.
but everyone can.
lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net <http://he.net> pays their
own ip transit price to cogent for paid peering excess amount and
both sides monitor traffic
we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...
both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.
level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?).
why wouldnt mleber?
but to make it fair, as he.net <http://he.net> becomes ww tier-1
operator day-by-day, lets just limit pricing to excess amount of
traffic
thanks for reading
would appreciate your support
19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:
OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.
Rubens
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common
withhe.net <http://he.net> for free.
BUT they will rate-limithe.net <http://he.net> links to previous
month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)
to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics
fair...
okay?
fine?
come on people,
segmentation is bad.
