Forgive me if I have little or no sympathy for them.

Owen


> On May 29, 2022, at 14:10, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is going to be very painful and difficult for a number of DOCSIS3 
> operators, including some of the largest ISPs in the USA with multi-millions 
> of subscribers with tons of legacy coax plant that have no intention of ever 
> changing the RF channel setup and downstream/upstream asymmetric bandwidth 
> allocation to provide more than 15-20Mbps upstream per home. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 16:59, Jeff Shultz <jeffshu...@sctcweb.com 
> <mailto:jeffshu...@sctcweb.com>> wrote:
> I think we have a winner here - we don't necessarily need 1G down, but we do 
> need to get the upload speeds up to symmetrical 50/50, 100/100 etc... there 
> are enough people putting in HD security cameras and the like that upstream 
> speeds are beginning to be an issue. 
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:37 AM David Bass <davidbass...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:davidbass...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The real problem most users experience isn’t that they have a gig, or even 
> 100Mb of available download bandwidth…it’s that they infrequently are able to 
> use that full bandwidth due to massive over subscription .  
> 
> The other issue is the minimal upload speed.  It’s fairly easy to consume the 
> 10Mb that you’re typically getting as a residential customer.  Even “business 
> class” broadband service has a pretty poor upload bandwidth limit.  
> 
> We are a pretty high usage family, and 100/10 has been adequate, but there’s 
> been times when we are pegged at the 10 Mb upload limit, and we start to see 
> issues. 
> 
> I’d say 25/5 is a minimum for a single person. 
> 
> Would 1 gig be nice…yeah as long as the upload speed is dramatically 
> increased as part of that.  We would rarely use it, but that would likely be 
> sufficient for a long time.  I wouldn’t pay for the extra at this point 
> though. 
> 
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 8:20 PM Sean Donelan <s...@donelan.com 
> <mailto:s...@donelan.com>> wrote:
> 
> Remember, this rulemaking is for 1.1 million locations with the "worst" 
> return on investment. The end of the tail of the long tail.  Rural and 
> tribal locations which aren't profitable to provide higher speed 
> broadband.
> 
> These locations have very low customer density, and difficult to serve.
> 
> After the Sandwich Isles Communications scandal, gold-plated proposals 
> will be viewed with skepticism.  While a proposal may have a lower total 
> cost of ownership over decades, the business case is the cheapest for 
> the first 10 years of subsidies.  [massive over-simplification]
> 
> Historically, these projects have lack of timely completion (abandoned, 
> incomplete), and bad (overly optimistic?) budgeting.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Shultz
> 
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