> On Mar 15, 2022, at 19:23 , Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 16 Mar 2022, at 02:54, Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>>
>> Having spent nearly 15 years on the ARIN Advisory Council, I think I’m able
>> to claim some detailed knowledge on the subject.
>>
>> In general, the RIRs themselves maintain neutrality about such things,
>> looking to their
>> respective communities for input on what to do. However, so long as the IETF
>> and
>> has not designated the space Unicast Address Space to be delegated to the
>> RIRs for allocation/assignment, IANA will not delegate it to the RIRs and
>> the RIRs
>> won’t, therefore, delegate it to users.
>>
>> If you really want to see this happen (and I still argue that the amount of
>> effort already wasted
>> discussing this idea vastly exceeds what would be needed towards IPv6 to get
>> beyond
>> caring about it), then the first step must be to convince the IETF to
>> designate the
>> space IPv4 Unicast and instruct the IANA to begin issuing those /8s to the
>> RIRs.
>>
>> Once that happens, the rest of the allocation process is basically
>> automatic. From a policy
>> perspective at the RIR level, it will be no different than say 4/8 or 1/8.
>
> Actually it would be fundamentally different to 4/8 or 1/8. You are looking
> at firmware upgrades
> rather than dealing with squatters and out-of-date ACLs both of which are
> self-inflicted by one
> of the parties. Routers and end devices that don’t know how to hand 240/4
> are no self inflicted
> injuries. Issuing 4/8 or 1/8 worked for parties that had been following the
> rules. With 240/4
> there where no rules to follow which results in RIR’s leasing known defective
> addresses.
I was speaking from an RIR allocation perspective, NOT talking about the
technological hurdles
to implementation.
I was specifically responding to someone’s question about how the RIRs would be
impacted by
this if it were to come to pass.
I addressed your concern in the following paragraph as an aside, however.
>
>> Now, convincing vendors to update their firmware, software, etc. is another
>> matter
>> and entirely outside of the control of the RIRs. Merchant compliance with
>> IETF standards
>> is generally considered useful, but it is entirely voluntary and even in the
>> best of
>> circumstances doesn’t every happen instantaneously and almost always involves
>> some stumbles along the way.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 02:54 , Sylvain Baya <absc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear NANOG-ers,
>>> Hope this email finds you in good health!
>>> Please see my comments below, inline...
>>>
>>> Le mardi 15 mars 2022, <b...@theworld.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Barry,
>>> Thanks for your email, brother!
>>>
>>>
>>> But the RIRs are the ones fielding requests for IPv4 space, and have
>>> some notion of how policy implementation might work in practice, so
>>> should have a lot of useful input.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...of course, it appears that RIRs have the opportunity
>>> to add their useful inputs, as Impact Analysis Report
>>> (IAR); during the Policy Development Process (PDP)
>>> initiated by the *appropriate* [1] Internet community.
>>> They explain it themselves here [2].
>>> __
>>> [1]: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020>
>>> [2]: <https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/q-and-a/>
>>>
>>> Shalom,
>>> --sb.
>>>
>>>
>>> On March 14, 2022 at 00:45 niels=na...@bakker.net (Niels Bakker) wrote:
>>>> * b...@theworld.com (b...@theworld.com) [Mon 14 Mar 2022, 00:31 CET]:
>>>>> Personally I'd rather hear from the RIRs regarding the value or not
>>>>> of making more IPv4 space such as 240/4 available. They're on the
>>>>> front lines of this.
>>>>
>>>> You've got your policy development process diagram upside down. The
>>>> community decides what the RIRs implement. They're not in touch with
>>>> merchant silicon manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Niels.
>>>
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