That's a valid argument.
And no I don't think ISPs, ICANN, or any other organization should get
involved in political disputes.
Where Russia has crossed the line, though, is in the way they are
handling the situation. You bomb/attack government
buildings/communication infrastructure/roadways/etc. Launch a party to
assassinate the leaders.
You *don't* attack apartment buildings, shoot citizens that are just in
the street, target populated areas, dress up as the other party, use
vacuum bombs.
The problem here is not that there is a spat between Ukraine and Russia,
the problem is that Russia has violated like 10 different things in the
Geneva Convention on how you fight a war.
On 3/2/22 11:38 AM, justin@xor.systems wrote:
The problem with all of these sorts of things and why respectable entities like
ICANN should avoid such things is because its inherently subjective and prone
to a sort of viewers bias that is moulded more or less by the propaganda of the
state from which you come (in our case, North America/US et al).
For instance, an actually unpopular opinion is that this all started when a lawfully elected
government was overthrown by a minority of the population (<1%) and that the majority of
Ukrainians were disenfranchised as a result. This was particularly acute in the Donbass
region that voted for Yanukovych very heavily. This brought about an actual rebellion, one
that is flatly denied by the government in Kyiv, which in turn brought about the Minsk
agreement where the breakdown was that the rebels sought to have local elections for their
own governors/mayors that could not be dismissed by the federal legislature. For whatever
reason, the Government in Kyiv found this unpalatable and never implemented this part of the
agreement until finally the ceasefire broke down and a formal war ensued. The point of this
paragraph being that discerning which side is representing "democracy" is a matter
of perspective.
Because the shoe could easily fit on the other foot and also be legitimately
correct and the same argument could be made to remove TLDs for UA or supporting
countries and because which is correct is almost always a matter of
perspective-- its best for any such governing entity to avoid allowing itself
to be drawn into such ordeals.
As for their request, given that the country has more or less banned all periodicals in
Russian from the news stand irrelevant of content, routinely shutdown independent media
outlets and because this email simply acknowledging valid grievances in south eastern
Ukraine could be cause for a 10 year term in prison if written from within Ukraine-- I
will only say that I find the request by the government there to be "extremely
consistent with Ukrainian values".
-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+justin=xor.syst...@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Matt
Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com>; Nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes
My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern
world. They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.
On 3/1/22 3:16 AM, George Herbert wrote:
Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off,
revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia.
Seems… instability creating…
-george
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