The problem with all of these sorts of things and why respectable entities like 
ICANN should avoid such things is because its inherently subjective and prone 
to a sort of viewers bias that is moulded more or less by the propaganda of the 
state from which you come (in our case, North America/US et al).

For instance, an actually unpopular opinion is that this all started when a 
lawfully elected government was overthrown by a minority of the population 
(<1%) and that the majority of Ukrainians were disenfranchised as a result. 
This was particularly acute in the Donbass region that voted for Yanukovych 
very heavily. This brought about an actual rebellion, one that is flatly denied 
by the government in Kyiv, which in turn brought about the Minsk agreement 
where the breakdown was that the rebels sought to have local elections for 
their own governors/mayors that could not be dismissed by the federal 
legislature. For whatever reason, the Government in Kyiv found this unpalatable 
and never implemented this part of the agreement until finally the ceasefire 
broke down and a formal war ensued. The point of this paragraph being that 
discerning which side is representing "democracy" is a matter of perspective.

Because the shoe could easily fit on the other foot and also be legitimately 
correct and the same argument could be made to remove TLDs for UA or supporting 
countries and because which is correct is almost always a matter of 
perspective-- its best for any such governing entity to avoid allowing itself 
to be drawn into such ordeals. 

As for their request, given that the country has more or less banned all 
periodicals in Russian from the news stand irrelevant of content, routinely 
shutdown independent media outlets and because this email simply acknowledging 
valid grievances in south eastern Ukraine could be cause for a 10 year term in 
prison if written from within Ukraine-- I will only say that I find the request 
by the government there to be "extremely consistent with Ukrainian values".


-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+justin=xor.syst...@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Matt 
Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com>; Nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes

My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern 
world.  They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.

On 3/1/22 3:16 AM, George Herbert wrote:
> Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
> https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
> 
> https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
> 
> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, 
> revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia.
> 
> Seems… instability creating…
> 
> -george
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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