> On 10 Sep 2021, at 17:21, Bjørn Mork <bj...@mork.no> wrote:
>
> Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> writes:
>
>> The addresses aren’t the major cost of providing IPv4 services.
>>
>> CGN boxes, support calls, increasing size of routing table = buying new
>> routers, etc.
>
> You're counting dual-stack costs as if IPv4 was the optional protocol.
> That's a fantasy world. Time to get out of la-la land now.
>
> Your edge routers can do CGN for all connected users just fine. Yes,
> there is still a cost both in resources and management, but you'll have
> to weigh that against the cost of doing dual-stack on the same box. I'm
> not convinced dual-stack wins.
>
> Don't know what you're thinking of wrt support calls, but dual-stack has
> some failure modes which are difficult to understand for both end users
> and support. NAT is pretty well understood in comparison.
>
> Your routing tables won't grow with IPv4 or CGN. They grow when you add
> IPv6.
>
>> Increased cost of developers having to work around NAT and NAT
>> becoming ever more complex with multiple layers, etc.
>
> And this can be avoided by reconfiguring the local network somehow? Or
> are we talking about an Internet without IPv4? This is even more
> fantastic than the idea that IPv4 is optional in the local network.
>
>> All of these are the things driving the ever increasing cost of IPv4
>> services, not just the cost of the addresses.
>
> Yes, the cost of addresses is not prohibitive, and there is no
> indication it will be.
>
> The consolidation of hosting services have reduced the need for globally
> routable addresses. You don't host your own mail server and web server
> anymore, even if you're a large organisation. Most ISPs haven't yet
> taken advantage of this. They are still giving globally routable IPv4
> addresses to customers which have no need for that. These addresses can
> be re-allocated for CGN if there is a need. This is obviously still not
> free, but it does limit the price of fresh IPv4 addresses.
>
> The other costs you list will not affect an IPv4 only shop at all.
>
>
> Bjørn
Or you could deliver IPv6-only to your customers and used to CGN boxes
to deliver IPv4AAS using less than 1/2 the IPv4 address space you need
for a NAT444 solution as +60% of your traffic doesn’t need CGN processing.
464XLAT example
{ Internet IPv4(40% of traffic) + IPv6(60% of traffic) } - [Router w/ NAT64] -
{ IPv6-only (IPv4 traffic has been translated to IPv6) } - [CPE w/ CLAT] { home
network IPv4 + IPv6 }
DS-Lite
{ Internet IPv4(40% of traffic) + IPv6(60% of traffic) } - [Router w/ AFTR] - {
IPv6-only (IPv4 traffic has been encapsulated in IPv6) } - [CPE w/ B4] { home
network IPv4 + IPv6 }
MAP-T and MAP-E are similar to 464XLAT and DS-Lite respectively.
Yes, you have to learn something new but it costs less that a “pure" IPv4
service.
Mark
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