No one's paying me anything except 15 years of practical experience building 
last mile networks for myself and my clients. I'd imagine that while a larger 
percentage than most venues, a minority of the people on this list build last 
mile networks. Even fewer do so with their own money. 

I have a fiber network where I offer gigabit bidirectional to the home. 




Few people have any sort of grasp of the cost and complexity of building what 
they want. 


Raising the the minimal definitions for everyone to what power users expect is 
a foolish venture. 








I'm just trying to connect some of you to reality. 


" Doesn’t matter." Yes, it matters very much so when you're proposing the 
expenditure of my money to meet your unrealistic goals. I'm not against raising 
the definition. I'm not against offering 1G or 10G to the home. I'm against you 
telling people that are perfectly happy with their service that it's not good 
enough for them and then using their and my tax dollars to "fix" it. 






I don't disagree that the big ISPs have screwed the pooch many times and will 
do so in perpetuity. These programs often just give those same entities that 
screwed us all for years the money to do it. That's partially why they don't 
spend their own money doing it. They'll wait for Uncle Sam to pay them to do 
it. 




Muni broadband does suck, but that's another thread for another day. 






----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Andy Ringsmuth" <a...@andyring.com> 
To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 9:17:17 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

As much as I enjoy the generally cordial nature of this list, I’m going to go 
out on a limb and say that Mr. Hammett’s mentality on this topic is precisely 
the problem. Arguing against every reasonable proposition we are making to 
increase home broadband speeds. 

I’m assuming he’ll disagree. And that’s OK. He’s still wrong. 

“People want X. Why?” - Doesn’t matter. I don’t need a reason for what I want. 
I probably have one, but that reason is my business, not yours. 

The big ISPs are, historically and factually, greedy, stingy, and in many cases 
flat-out liars on all this. Taking USF money for DECADES and squandering it, 
for instance. Advertising speeds (I’m looking at you, Frontier) they knew full 
well they couldn’t provide. Charging $40 for service on one street and $80 for 
IDENTICAL service one block away. Promising to state governments they would 
upgrade and then not doing it (Charter in New York, anyone?). 

Blah blah blah shareholders blah blah blah. DGAF. 

Where there is a will, there is a way. The big boys don’t have the will to do 
it. Case after case after case after case after case demonstrates that fiber to 
the home can be done and can be done for a very reasonable cost. We read about 
smaller companies or municipalities every day doing it. And then the Big Boys 
come along and do EVERYTHING they can to stifle competition (getting all snarky 
about pole access, or pouring billions into lobbying against muni broadband 
that could be spent on, oh, I dunno, INSTALLING FIBER instead). 

“When making policy changes and spending hundreds of billions of dollars, you 
need to have a good reason.” Apply that same thinking to all the reasons the 
Big Boys give for NOT installing fiber or upgrading their networks. How many 
billions have they spent on lobbying and lawsuits to stop competition and not 
install fiber that could have been better spent? 

I will go so far as to directly ask: 

Mike - who is paying you to lobby so hard against better/faster/more reliable 
home internet? 

---- 
Andy Ringsmuth 
5609 Harding Drive 
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 
(402) 304-0083 
a...@andyring.com 

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863 

> On May 31, 2021, at 8:01 AM, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: 
> 
> Why is any of that a reasonable position to have? What you're proposing is 
> reckless without real, compelling evidence. 
> 
> People want X. Why? 
> 
> When making policy changes and spending hundreds of billions of dollars, you 
> need to have a good reason. 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> 
> To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 12:53:25 PM 
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 
> 
> 
> 
> søn. 30. maj 2021 15.29 skrev Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net>: 
> What can you do with 100 megs that you can't do with 25 megs and why should 
> anyone care? 
> 
> That is really the wrong question. People want 100 Mbps over 25 Mbps and 
> therefore it becomes a need for rural communities. Doesn't matter that 
> someone believes these people could do with less. 
> 
> The year is 2021 and perceived good internet is minimum 100 Mbps. 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Baldur 


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