Responses in-line > On Aug 26, 2020, at 4:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> > wrote: > > Because: > > 1) It needs *much less* IPv4 addresses (in the NAT64) for the same number of > customers.
I cannot see how this is even possible. If I use private space internally to the CGN, then the available external space is the same and the internal customers are the same and I can do the same over sub ratio under both circumstance. Tell me how the math is different. > 2) It provides the customers as many ports they need (no a limited number of > ports per customer). See response to answer 1 > 3) It is not blocked by PSN (don't know why because don't know how the games > have problems with CGN). Interesting, but I’m not sure how any over-loaded NAT translation would look different from the external system. Since you cannot explain it, it’s hard to discuss it. > > You could share among an *almost unlimited* number of subscribers an small > IPv4 block (even just a /22). The math would be the same as a CGN, so I do not see how this is any less or more useful. It does, however, require CPE capability that appears lacking and NAT444 does not. > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > El 26/8/20 22:31, "Brian Johnson" <brian.john...@netgeek.us> escribió: > > How does 464XLAT solve the problem if you are out of IPv4 space? > >> On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:23 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG >> <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: >> >> They know we are there ... so they don't come! >> >> By the way I missed this in the previous email: I heard (not sure how much >> true on that) that they are "forced" to avoid CGN because the way games are >> often programmed in PSP break them. So maybe will not be enough to sort out >> the problem with an OS and/or PSN change, all the affected games, will need >> to be adjusted. >> >> Maybe the only way to force this is to tell our customers (many ISPs in >> every country) "don't buy Sony PS, they are unable to support new >> technologies, so you games will be blocked by Sony". Of course, unless we >> all decide to use 464XLAT instead of CGN ... which resolves the problem. >> >> A massive campaing could work ... >> >> >> El 26/8/20 22:08, "NANOG en nombre de surfer" >> <nanog-bounces+jordi.palet=consulintel...@nanog.org en nombre de >> sur...@mauigateway.com> escribió: >> >> >> >> On 8/26/20 9:28 AM, Tony Wicks wrote: >>> They're the worst service company I have ever had the displeasure of >>> dealing with, the arrogance and attitude of we are big, you are small we >>> don't care about your customers was infuriating. Never have I seen a single >>> call related to their opposition where as PSN accounted for about 10-20% of >>> helpdesk calls. I don't understand why its seemingly impossible for them to >>> implement ipv6 as almost everything I have deployed with CGN is dual stack >>> V6. >> >> On 8/26/20 9:30 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: >>> We'll have to be creative with how we pressure them into getting serious >>> about IPv6. >> >> >> Do those guys attend NANOG meetings? >;-) (evil smile) >> >> scott >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> http://www.theipv6company.com >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the >> individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, >> copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if >> partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be >> considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be >> aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of >> this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly >> prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the >> original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. >> >> >> > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the > individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if > partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be > considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the > original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > >
