Hrm, I got the impression from the OP that they're constructing a new network and contemplating lighting a single pair for telemetry and whole cable breaks.
I did not get the impression that they were getting strands from someone else and lighting it for sale to customers. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mel Beckman" <m...@beckman.org> To: "James Jun" <james....@towardex.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:55:51 PM Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions My understanding is that the OP wants to put the equipment on the fiber that he leases from a supplier. That’s the question -mel via cell > On Jun 8, 2020, at 2:38 PM, James Jun <james....@towardex.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:10:44PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> I???m not talking about a full-time engineer for the life of the network, >> just for designing the infrastructure management before first customer light. >> >> -mel via cell >> > > Dude, it's dark fiber. > > I for one, do _NOT_ in any shape or form, want my DF provider to put any > equipment (monitoring, or otherwise) on strands I lease, period. I just want > tubes in the ground, end of story. This is certainly not an airplane and > does not need a pilot. It's passive tubes sitting on right of way and > customer > is licensed to pass light thru that passive tube. Everything else is extra, > and I want no active service whatsoever (besides for power capacity at > regen plant colo). > > If there is a disturbance event that creates LOS alarm on customer equipment, > they will call in and open a ticket to begin troubleshooting. > > Name me one dark fiber provider in northeast that (unless you buy their > managed dark fiber solution) will monitor your fiber strands and the customer > light for you. I can tell you, major fiber providers in northeast are all > the same: the customer is the monitoring system. If fiber is down, customers > call in. In fact, I can't recount how many times I've had dealing with a > large fiber provider here (unnamed to protect the guilty) who also requests > and asks customers to shoot OTDR for them. > > Generally speaking, dark fiber providers who also compete with their > customers (e.g. fiber provider that sells lit services) have tendency to react > faster to certain fiber cuts on certain routes, if their backbone links are > sitting in them. But for specialty dark fiber providers who only sell dark, > it's not a bad idea to light one of the strands for internal continuity > checks; but at worst case scenario, when a customer calls in to report an LOS > alarm and suspects fiber disturbance, that's usually enough information to > start sending your crews out and begin taking traces. > > James
